Author Topic: What happened to LW? (Read 21593 times)

Kev367th · « **Reply #510 on:** December 20, 2005, 12:47:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Well, AH has parts modeled so that "Take xxxx damage" and they go "pop"... I am fairly certain NO part of any bomber can take 7x 30mm rounds and yet not reach the "pop"ping point.

Lol I agree, neither should it be able to take a sustained burst from 4x20mm, yet they do.
It's where you hit them (wigtips/engines), not how much you put into them.

Dunno if it's related, but both the Lanc and B26 seem to take a lot of punishment. Although all buffs motors catch fire ridiculously easy now.

Krusty · « **Reply #511 on:** December 20, 2005, 12:55:28 PM »

DokGonzo, I've noticd that planes offline pop real easy after one burst, sometimes a short burst with just a few MG hits.

Kev, that's no lie! I was in an f4u1c and unloaded almost my entire ammo load into a b26 (had only 30 rounds left in primary and secondary gun banks, out of about 400 total) and only smoked an engine shot off an aileron and caused a gas leak. I think he bailed and gave me the kill. This was a while back (some months), but it stuck in my mind.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #512 on:** December 20, 2005, 01:20:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
DokGonzo, I've noticd that planes offline pop real easy after one burst, sometimes a short burst with just a few MG hits.

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Yeah ... since I only fly once or twice a week I usually spend 10 or 15 minutes offline first to recalibrate my aim and I notice the disparity in lethality. I'm pretty sure you can dial the lethality up or down offline, but I haven't touched that setting for my practice.

I wonder what the arena lethality setting is? Because if it's the same as the default for offline it sure as hell don't act like it.

hitech · « **Reply #513 on:** December 20, 2005, 01:32:49 PM »

Should be the same online if you havn't changed it doc. All lethalities set to 1.0

HiTech

Krusty · « **Reply #514 on:** December 20, 2005, 01:39:14 PM »

Offline you get instant location on your bullets and self and target, online you get varrying net lag for all 3, so maybe it takes more hits because more are missing in those hits? Not sure.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #515 on:** December 20, 2005, 02:01:48 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Should be the same online if you havn't changed it doc. All lethalities set to 1.0

I didn't change it offline.

Hmmm ... so if it isn't lethality then its something else.

wrag · « **Reply #516 on:** December 20, 2005, 06:36:08 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Should be the same online if you havn't changed it doc. All lethalities set to 1.0

HiTech

Well DANG IT what is it then???? Cause I've hit fighters with a 30mm and they have kept on keepin on.......................

LAG? I got lots of that

Packet loss? I get that pretty heavy from time to time. Also get errors and resends allot sometimes. Went to log on and checked the ping at the arena choice screen. Was getting 2 and 3 repeat sendings per packet for abit. Hung up instead. Used a different connect number and looked good for almost a minute so logged on.

I had a La7 come at me HO I moved to my right to avoid and saw it passing to my left and BANG I lost a part and got a collison message?????

Naturally I didn't have film on. So now I got a folder FULL of film

Can't seem to repeat it. I actually WON a collison today

Been LONG time coming though

Been shot down by puffy ack 3 times in the last 2 days

Was manuvering 2 of those times

Oh well....................... <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Yo Skuzzy can we get a smiley for that?????

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #517 on:** December 20, 2005, 07:34:10 PM »

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Originally posted by wrag
Well DANG IT what is it then???? Cause I've hit fighters with a 30mm and they have kept on keepin on.......................

LAG? I got lots of that Packet loss? I get that pretty heavy from time to time. ...

Well this is actually progress, because offline the LW guns are decent enough. Hell, even the US .50 cals are decent enough offline.

And I see things online that defy all logic. Like last weekend I head-on'd a flight of '24's with a 110 and just splooged 20mm and 30mm on the lead ship and it didn't go down. Hit sprites all over it wing-to-wing and in between but it flew on, albeit smoking.

I've also looked at some films where I thought I had rubber bullets online, but when viewing the film it saw hits recorded.

If there is a problem with hits not recording online, the lower ROF and MV of the LW cannons would exacerbate that. Especially on the 109 and 190.

I also wonder if there's a factoring of angle-off of hits that hurts the 30mm more due to its lower muzzle velocity. In other words, does a hit sprite mean "impact" or "damage"?

Kev367th · « **Reply #518 on:** December 20, 2005, 08:00:44 PM »

I think your getting close Dok.
Different thread someone submitted a film to HT film showed a lot of hit sprites. yet I think the amount that caused damage was less.
There is a bug in the film viewer.
Wonder if it ties in with getting hits on people but NOT seeing hit sprites.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #519 on:** December 20, 2005, 10:29:12 PM »

Hard to say if its a bug in the film viewer. If the viewer emulates the offline mode of drawing hit sprites, it may be showing the "true" hit resolution sans network influence. Or it may be drawing the sprites which we don't get to see online because of latencies (i.e. the host resolves the hit the same online as on film, but the report of the hit doesn't get to us cuz of lag).

This makes more sense because the actual per-shell lethality is the easiest part of this whole equation.

The big question, then, is: if you see hit sprites from 20mm and 30mm LW rounds on an enemy plane, what would prevent these from causing damage? Is there anything in the code which factors striking angle which could be out of whack (i.e. maybe calibrated with the Hispano as the baseline?)? Is explosive damage somehow getting dropped out? Are the shells losing velocity too fast for some reason so their kinetic energy is porked on impact?

There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear.

Grits · « **Reply #520 on:** December 20, 2005, 11:07:27 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear.

Bonus points for anyone who can name the song and the band.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #521 on:** December 20, 2005, 11:39:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Bonus points for anyone who can name the song and the band.

Buffalo Springfield.

"For What It's Worth'

Written by Stephen Stills

TimRas · « **Reply #522 on:** December 21, 2005, 04:16:45 AM »

"There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's Hitech with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young dweebs speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the board
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for LW side

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, Skuzzy come and take you away"

[ OK, sorry Buffalo Springfield, slightly altered

]

Wilbus · « **Reply #523 on:** December 21, 2005, 01:37:25 PM »

It was I who posted that film in another thread. HT debugged the film and after some more questions from me also discovered there is a bug in the film viewer showing more hit sprites then there are hits.

Krusty · « **Reply #524 on:** December 21, 2005, 01:42:20 PM »

maybe in the film viewer, yes, but my sharpest memory is of the actual, online, attack run. I saw at least 5 (maybe a bit more, so I say 5-7 to cover my bases) hit sprites all in the same area.

Regardless, the explosive power of 5x 30mms, even if scattered over a couple different parts, should have incinerated that bomber!