Author Topic: How I Lost the War in Iraq (Read 4547 times)

Gunslinger · « **Reply #90 on:** November 26, 2005, 07:29:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Sorry about jumping on your previous post, but the thread is about Iraq, and since the one you rather ambiguously responded to was also about Iraq and mentioned policies followed in Somalia and Vietnam to bolster his Iraq argument, you can see how I may have misconstrued.

However, to follow the VN tangent, in 1967 the effort of the NVA and VC aganist SVN and USA and Allies, (incl Aussies IIRC) was about on its last legs, as recalled by NVA generals.

They conceived of Tet because they believed that they could snatch victory from defeat. The anti war movement in the USA showed them a way to do it and they thought that if they could make a big enough splash in the news and bolster the college demonstrations, the USA would withdraw. It worked perfectly even though militarily Tet was a victory for SVN/USA. Tet virtually destroyed the VC. After '68, the VC virtually dissappeared as a fighting force in the feild.

We didn't lose by attrition, we lost because we weren't sufficeintly united behind the cause.

Yup Tet was a MAJOR military defeat for the NVA but was an even bigger strategic victory.

Same thing in Iraq is happening now. Terrorists try big pushes around major news events (IE elections, those and ours) to grab headlines and promote an image of dispair in Iraq. In many ways they are winning the "PR" war but losing the combat half.

SkyRock · « **Reply #91 on:** November 26, 2005, 08:35:13 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
we won the war in vietnam... 95% of all roads were safe... over 95% of villages were in control of the local militia... there had not been a major offensive by the north for years and they were wupped... we threw away the victory by not supporting the south who were beating the north in every engagement and chasing em back into laos..

All we had to do was keep supplying them with arms and money for a little longer... we were all but pulled out anyway..

It is shameful how our politicians abondened them... at one point the south was down to 1 bullet per man per day. Even at that they threw back the northern troops several times before being over ran.

Our troops and Abrams have nothing to be ashamed of. Our politicians should live in infamy.

A very good book on the subject is "A Better War" by Sorley.... it explains how Abrams turned the war around and won it.

lazs

Lazs consider Custer in the valley of the little bighorn, troops down to nothing per man, ultimately the sentence of death, it sucked to be a trooper there, it's very easy to say that some politician didn't provide for that soldier by ensuring that he at least had enough ammunition to kill any who tried to kill him. The sad fact about war is that politics generally is the reason for war and logical human thinking is the victim!

Dago · « **Reply #92 on:** November 26, 2005, 08:38:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Torque
for most here the war is in the abstract. how many of these zealots do you think actually have had or have family over there, in either of the gulf wars, i'm guessing none...

My son is there now, fighting insurgents in the Ramadi area. He is on his second tour of Iraq, following a tour in Afghanistan. And yes, he is fighting, he is infantry, a Paratrooper in the 82nd Airborne.

dago

Hangtime · « **Reply #93 on:** November 26, 2005, 08:43:26 PM »

Never met a commie yet that didn't understand war as a diplomacy by it's most expedient means.

Dago · « **Reply #94 on:** November 26, 2005, 08:44:44 PM »

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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
The majority of the US peopel feel the war in Iraq is not going well, therefore, the war is not going well. Raise your hand if your smarter than the majority of the US people.

Raise your hand if you think the US people really know what is going in Iraq, when all they have to base their opinions on is the sensationalistic coverage of the negative events in Iraq by a biased media that ignores the huge majority of the progress and improvements.

SkyRock · « **Reply #95 on:** November 26, 2005, 08:51:27 PM »

See Rule #7

Hangtime · « **Reply #96 on:** November 26, 2005, 09:44:43 PM »

See Rule #4

Dago · « **Reply #97 on:** November 26, 2005, 10:04:09 PM »

See Rule #4

Gunslinger · « **Reply #98 on:** November 26, 2005, 10:11:38 PM »

Skyrock,

Read JBA's post about this interview in this thread: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165005&pagenumber=1

It's very informative and from what I hear very truthfull about the end to the war then.

SkyRock · « **Reply #99 on:** November 27, 2005, 03:34:51 AM »

See Rule #4

SkyRock · « **Reply #100 on:** November 27, 2005, 03:45:12 AM »

See Rule #4

AWMac · « **Reply #101 on:** November 27, 2005, 03:54:04 AM »

Silat? Yo Lew?

lada · « **Reply #102 on:** November 27, 2005, 05:13:53 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
it's a complete success

wow so .. all we have to do, to make Us so successful again is to blow up 30 american civilists a day.

rgr got it.

anyone else want to be successful ?

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #103 on:** November 27, 2005, 08:25:52 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
I am smarter than the majority of American people. I am in the top 2% statistically.

I'd be willing to bet that every single person who posts here and supports the war is smarter than the majority of Americans. The majority of Americans are sheep but think they're not.

Thank god, NUKE. I have been waiting for some guidence, (SP?). This war was based on the pretext of Saddams possession of and intent to use WMD's on the USA. Those WMD's were never found and the pre-war intelligence was found to be faulty if not outright lies. Therefore, the war is now being fought for what reason? To bring democracy to the middle east? To fight terrorist in thier own backyard? See, thats where I get confused. There is not only no battle plan, there is no solid reason to fight this war. Maybe you could clear that up for me. The Bush administration is doing a poor job of making this clear, IMHO.

Oh, I agree one hundred percent with the sheep comment. I take it youre not a sheep?

WMLute · « **Reply #104 on:** November 27, 2005, 09:20:26 AM »

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Originally posted by SkyRock
See Rule #4

Actually, your total lack of understanding on what happened in Vietnam surprised me as well SkyRock. Just out of total curiousity, what exactly is your opinion based on? A teacher? A book maybe? Some movie? Please, enlighten me. It's just unreal how off base you are on this.

Seriously. No flame intended.