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Offline DREDIOCK

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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2005, 12:43:34 AM »
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Already on other message boards the conspiracy theorists are saying that the US government actually did this to bolster their stance in the fight against insurgent Muslim extremists…


Seems like a silly idea to me.
If they were goign to stage somethign why didn tthey just plant WMDs and "discover" them.
Woulda been a hell of alot easier,no innocent lives woulda been put at risk and they
Woulda drummed up one hell of alot more support that way
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2005, 01:03:28 AM »
Excerpt from their public statement posted on their website:

"We are angry because what has happened to our teammates is the result of the actions of the U.S. and U.K. governments due to the illegal attack on Iraq and the continuing occupation and oppression of its people. "
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2005, 01:07:37 AM »
How can we not win? After over two years we have...



wait for it...







A STRATEGY!



Woot!
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2005, 01:18:10 AM »
The strategy is working, we will win and the naysayers are gonna look dumb.

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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2005, 01:22:37 AM »
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The strategy is working, we will win and the naysayers are gonna look dumb.


I thought the goal was to capture bin laden, how it got to be winning whatever we are winning in Iraq is beyond me
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2005, 01:39:45 AM »
Infidels are infidels as an infidels, regardless of their peaceful intentions….

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2005, 01:40:50 AM »
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I thought the goal was to capture bin laden, how it got to be winning whatever we are winning in Iraq is beyond me


Actually the "goal" is to win the war on terrorism.
Oust Sadam and stableize Iraq and reurn it to the Iragis
We see BinLaden as a figurehead because of 9/11
but in reality Bin Laden is but a small peice of the puzzle.

Even with Binladen killed or captured very litttle will change.
Be like cutting the head off a dandaline. It doesnt kill the weed. It just grows a new one
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2005, 01:57:11 AM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Actually the "goal" is to win the war on terrorism.
Oust Sadam and stableize Iraq and reurn it to the Iragis
We see BinLaden as a figurehead because of 9/11
but in reality Bin Laden is but a small peice of the puzzle.

Even with Binladen killed or captured very litttle will change.
Be like cutting the head off a dandaline. It doesnt kill the weed. It just grows a new one


My how things have changed in two years
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2005, 08:23:13 AM »
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My how things have changed in two years


And how have things changed?
It was never about just getting Bin Laden.
After 9/11 it was declared a "Gloabl war on terrorism"
That included Bin Laden but didnt end with him by any stretch of the imagination.
Never has.

And youve been around long enough to realise that overall strategies and goals are forever changing due to forever changing cicumstances.
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2005, 09:42:47 AM »
Gloabl?

Perhaps you meant to say "gullible" ?
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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2005, 09:59:29 AM »
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Infidels are infidels as an infidels, regardless of their peaceful intentions….


Hmm.

It seems that Chechens have broader views. At least they had Western journalists and non-Islamic mercenaries fighting together with them. And some countries like Poland support Chechen murderers as if it's Polish national sport.

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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2005, 01:44:35 PM »
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Gloabl?

Perhaps you meant to say "gullible" ?


yup just keep thinking that....who was it that was burning cars in france recently?  Christians?  Who was it that bombed busses in the UK and trains in Spain?

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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2005, 02:02:04 PM »
It was buddhists, right?
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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2005, 06:30:33 PM »
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Gloabl?

Perhaps you meant to say "gullible" ?


after 9/11 and well before we invaded Iraq there was declared a "Global war on terrorism"

Matter of fact it was Sept 2001

"Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there.  It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated"

The entire Text is here if you canre to read it
Address to a Join Session of Congress and the American People

also

NEWS BRIEF: "Stage Set For Attack", by Susanne M. Schafer, Associated Press, The Sun Chronicle, Friday, September 14, 2001.

"WASHINGTON -- "In the most explicit descriptions yet of the Bush administration's intentions, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said Thursday the retaliation would be continued until the roots of terrorism are destroyed. 'These people try to hide. They won't be able to hide forever ... They think their harbors are safe, but they won't be safe forever ... it's not simply a matter of capturing people and holding them accountable, but removing the sanctuaries, removing the support systems, ending states who sponsor terrorism." [Page 2]

"Ending states" is a most somber and terrifying term, for it strongly implies that the Bush Administration has every intention of destroying entire nation states with unconventional weapons. And, we have them in abundance, despite the years of military drawdown by the Clinton Administration. We have nuclear, chemical, biological weapons, and scalar weapons [HARRP electromagnetic weapons] that can easily destroy entire states in a matter of an hour or two.


Just two days after the attacks of 9/11, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz warned that the United States would strike without warning into the countries suspected of planning terrorism, sponsoring terrorism. At this time, we warned that an entire country might be annihilated because of bad intelligence, a reality which occurs all the time! For the first time, an official of the Bush Administration warned other sovereign nations throughout the world that we would reserve the right to attack their country -- or attack within their country -- if we suspected them of harboring terrorists. Even though the last sentence captured our attention -- "ending states who sponsor terrorism" -- if you take this sentence away, Wolfowitz might very well have been hinting that the U.S. would surgically strike at the Weapons of Mass Destruction within the country possessing them.

NEWS BRIEF: "Bush Says US Must Prepare For Preemptive Action", by Adam Entous, Rense.com, June 2, 2002.



Jussssst a Bit before we went to Iraq. and includes more then just Bin Laden
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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2005, 07:08:12 PM »
Citing Paul Wolfowitz doesn't do an awful lot to support Iraq as part of a "global war on terror." Wolfowitz supported regime change in Iraq long before 9/11 for other reasons (see the Project for the New American Century), wanted to pin 9/11 on Iraq on 9/12 to further his goals (didn't want to hear about no Al Queda) and has largely been discredited and dumped when his rosy scenario for remaking the middle East through some democracy domino effect fell flat.

He was able to achieve his ultimate goal though, using 9/11 and the GWOT to lever action that would have been a much tougher sell otherwise.

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