You'd vote these people in why??

[Eagler]

Gephardt hints at increase in taxes

"Let me tell you something. I'm glad we did what was right in 1993, and I'll do it again because I believe in being fiscally responsible with the taxpayers' money," he (House Minority Leader Richard A. Gephardt) said.
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And then they lost power in 1994 through a Republican landslide victory.
If you don't want your money, give it to your favorite charity before you let these morons in Washington blow it. Unless you are a recipient of a government handout (most of which don't pay taxes in the first place), can't see the sense in voting in goofballs who openly tell you they are going to take more of your money through increased taxes...
 http://www.washtimes.com/national/20010724-98885729.htm

[Ripsnort]

Dems=Big Gov't, Big brother, tax and spend, unfortunately, they target the young, the college students and the poor, uneducated, and draw them in with 'feel good' politics.  Once these folks hit 30 and start earning good money or start having children, they realize they're in the wrong party.  

(Strictyly my opinion, and, I might add, I still continue to vote the issues, lately none have fallen on DEM side of the voting ballet)

[Yoj]

Hmmmm!  "You take Mary, I'll take Sue.  Ain't no difference, 'tween the two".

Its like a restaurant menu with one entree.
"Would you like your Catfish fried in butter or pork fat?".

The amazing thing is that each party has gotten people to believe that what they say about the other one is true  

- Yoj

[fd ski]

Let's see... last week two items on the news, at the same time

a) tax checks were printed and send out to people
b) government report stated that Social Security will collape with huge sucking sound in 2023 ( don't remember the exact year )

b is nothing more then attempt to work up the paranoia and get people to rally around the idea of putting YOUR tax money into hands of wall street bankers and brokers. But, how does that reconsile with the fact that we now have too much money ?

Last time i checked my math, if i have 5 $ and need $5 tomorrow, it's not a good idea to give 4$ to anyone else today.....

[Fury]

I wish I knew more about this Social Security thing.

I got this nice cool "newsletter" from Social Security that showed me all the $$ I've been putting out for them.  It also included all kinds of assurances that Social Security is in fine shape and will not have any problems.  Although the baby boomers will be drawing soon, this newsletter makes it sounds like I won't have a problem getting my money.

Then I hear on NPR about how Social Security will run dry in 2038 (whaddya know, my 76th birthday) and though it's pretty stable right now, something needs to be done OR ELSE.

So which is it?

[Fatty]

You're going to see some things change about SS, age being foremost of them.  Unfortunately nobody wants to upset AARP, but the fact is people are more than doubling their retirement time based on SS's origins, and that's the foremost factor in breaking the bank, so to speak..

On the other hand, using FDSki's example...giving money to someone known for wasting it does not equate to fiscal responsibility.  Quite the opposite.

[Eagler]

"So which is it?"


If everything stays status quo, it's the latter. More is going to come out of SS than is going in. I think the return on SS is < 3%. Problem is our lovely gov keeps dipping into the fund for everything, putting little IOU's which they can't pay back.
 fd ski, I think the poor stock market performance is playing against privatization of SS. As the typical american memory is shorter than his wahzoo, they forget the long haul return possible through proper investment in the market. The average citizen is just too damn dumb to trust himself with his own money  

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Dems=Big Gov't, Big brother, tax and spend, unfortunately, they target the young, the college students and the poor, uneducated, and draw them in with 'feel good' politics.  Once these folks hit 30 and start earning good money or start having children, they realize they're in the wrong party.  

(Strictyly my opinion, and, I might add, I still continue to vote the issues, lately none have fallen on DEM side of the voting ballet)

Right... So why is Dubya hellbent on giving government money to "faith-based organizations?"

[Ripsnort]

Keep in mind that Clinton wanted to take what was in SS fund and invest it, while Bush wants you to have the option to control what you invest in future SS taxation.  Its called "Choice".

[popeye]

Social Security was meant to save poor little old widow ladies from starvation.  It is a welfare program, not a savings account.  Current contributions are used to pay for current expenses.  Problem is that everyone feels entitled to "their" SS "investments", even if they just use it for an extra couple of weeks of vacation in the islands.

Just reduce the amount paid to the wealthy, who don't really need it, and the problem goes away.  Do we really want to tax our grand children for that extra vacation?

[fd ski]

Well Eagler, then why not throw it in TBills ? You know, the world wide known SAFEST security you can buy, paying something around 7% now or so ?

But wait, that's giving money to the government !!!  

I don't believe in the total superiority of private company over that of government running. It is a myth propagated by those with vested interest.
Those who don't believe me, i invite you to look at history of WWI, WWII and periods in between, you'll find that it was a government planning and policing that brought about the most efficient performance out of the economy.
America of 1918 was more true to the communist thought in that aspect then USSR ever was  

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM:


Right... So why is Dubya hellbent on giving government money to "faith-based organizations?"

He realizes they can use the $$ more efficently helping people than some fat porked gov program run with your typical "I don't give a rats bellybutton about my job" gov employee..

[jihad]

Originally posted by Yoj:
Hmmmm!  "You take Mary, I'll take Sue.  Ain't no difference, 'tween the two".

Its like a restaurant menu with one entree.
"Would you like your Catfish fried in butter or pork fat?".

The amazing thing is that each party has gotten people to believe that what they say about the other one is true    

- Yoj

Yoj see's it too, I agree 100%.

Dems=Big Gov't, Big brother, tax and spend, unfortunately, they target the young, the college students and the poor, uneducated, and draw them in with 'feel good' politics.

That should read:

Politicians =Big Gov't, Big brother, tax and spend,

Term limits and campaign finance reform would go a long ways to correct this.

 Jack Ryan for President in 2004!

[funkedup]

Social Security is a scam.  If anybody but the government tried something like that, they would be arrested.  Tell ya what, let me keep my own whoopee money.  I'll invest it wisely, and when I'm 65 I'll give the feds back what I would have paid in social security taxes, adjusted for inflation and whatever miserable rate of return they would have achieved with it.  I'll keep the rest for myself, and retire fat and happy.  If everybody did that, this country would be a hell of a lot richer.  

But nope, we aren't that smart.  We need Big Brother to take care of the money for us because we are too stupid.  I'm so grateful I have them around to make decisions for me.  Money is so confusing!

And I can't figure out how fast to drive on a perfectly flat and smooth road with 5 mile visibility and no cars on it.  Please Uncle Sam tell me how fast is safe!  I'm so scared!

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh

Memo Gidley
Memo Gidley
Memo Gidley

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[funkedup]

i invite you to look at history of WWI, WWII and periods in between, you'll find that it was a government planning and policing that brought about the most efficient performance out of the economy.

ROFL
You can take the commie out of the evil empire, but you can't take the evil empire out of the commie.    

Seriously, I've worked for federal government, county government, huge company, medium company, and small company.  Do that and it becomes pretty clear which organizations are most efficient.

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