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Offline Eagler

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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2000, 11:27:00 AM »
It's a shame when success is a sin .. Karnack's a democratic from the public school system, just look at his spelling  

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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2000, 12:35:00 PM »
I could EASILY go for a true flat tax!

Supposedly everyone enjoys the same "blessings and gifts" of our government, so why should anyone pay more than another guy percentage-wise?

I'd even be happy to go for a reasonable "floor" so that folks under a certain income level get a "free ride".

I'd wager my taxes would be less if we did this....

Penalizing success....what a concept!  
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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2000, 12:42:00 PM »
Rich does not equal wealthy.  Basing wealth on a yearly income is short sighted and irresponsible.  I know people making $100k a year living paycheck to paycheck.  I know people making $30k a year and are quite happy and stable.  The problem is assuming people who make more then you should support that vast majority of the population.  

How bout I decide what people can spend their money on.  I will make the decision for you.  I will charge you too much and not give it back to you because I know better then you.  

quick question, do you think raising the minimum wage solves any problems?  Sure for the guy making minimum wage his pay goes up but what happens to the folk not on minimum wage?  Yep they make less, why you say?  Is the grocer gonna eat the cost of increase in employee salaries?  No his prices go up to compensate, it happens across the board for people who higher minimum wage folk.  End result, non minimum wage earners pay more for goods and services, i.e. you have less cash now.  But it sure can rally the voters.

Balance the budget, and give me my money I was overcharged back.

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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2000, 12:43:00 PM »
Eagler,
er, those are called typos for the most part.

Success isn't a sin.  Trampling on your fellow man to do it is.

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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2000, 04:42:00 PM »
LOL.. if yer makin 100k plus a year and yer livin paycheck to paycheck; then obviously you screwed up.

But you should still pay the same percentage of your income in taxes as the next guy; regardless of what it is.

How about this concept...  Only VETERANS MAY VOTE. And; only VETERANS may hold political office.

Think about it.  

Whatta world... whatta world...

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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2000, 04:48:00 PM »
 
Quote
Originally posted by Hangtime:
How about this concept...  Only VETERANS MAY VOTE. And; only VETERANS may hold political office.

Note: 2 points to the guy that recognises this 'platform', and correctly identifies the postulant.  


Mail me the points.

Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers.

I read that in 8th grade...back in..ah, nevermind!

 

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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2000, 09:20:00 PM »
I was working in an icecream parlor for $4.25 an hour in 1992 when Clinton was running for his first term.  One night in August a gentleman comes in shortly before closing and buys an icecream cone.  He then proceeds to lay out a sob story about how he'll lose his house, car, stocks and everything else if Clinton wins, as if I'm a bar tender.  After a listening to his story for a good while, I decided that since he was laying everything out in the open I might as well as how much he was making.

He was making $210,000.00 a year.

All sympathy that I had for him evaporated in an instant.  I was polite afterwards, but I was just faking being sympathetic.

Anybody who is making $210,000.00 a year and has arranged their finaces so badly that a change of administration will cause them to lose everything almost deserves to lose everything.

Furthermore I cannot imagine the gall it takes to deliver that sob story to a guy making minimum wage.

Given actual events, the guy probably made out like a bandit in the '90s.

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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2000, 09:31:00 PM »
So, the guy was a putz...

what point are you making other than that?

 
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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2000, 12:02:00 AM »
So no sympathy for the guy making a 100k a year huh? hmmm, but lets pay for the useless slobs that wont work or who abuse the system.  Love that logic.  Making money bad!  Big government good!

I hear ya preaching the gospel of personal responsibilty.  Thats my whole point, get the friggin government out of my backpocket and let me make my own decisions.  

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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2000, 12:28:00 AM »
Heh anyone who makes lots of cash a year and still barely have enough to feed his family is prioritizing wrongly. I've experienced being on the wrong side of that.

Raising minimum wage causes great inflation? It'd depend on the percentage of people living off minimum wages salaries. Our inflation is relatively low, yet our minimum wage is much higher than in the US, so it is quite doable without much adverse effects and good benefits if the setting is right. Whether it is so in the US I don't know.

I once worked in a factory in Sweden, for (back then) minimum wage of $10/h. I wasn't a lazy slob; started 07.15, went home around four. Pretty hard work, too. Wouldda liked to be given a few more kronor for it, since after taxes, rent and food were paid I had little to use. But, it was unskilled labour, so there ya go.



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Offline Eagler

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« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2000, 11:00:00 AM »
Exactly. Minimum wage is an "entry level" job. You're not suppose to make a living on it. Like DNIL said,raising it doesn't do anything as the cost is just past on. You help out the people who truly need it and put the rest of the population who are home in the middle of the day to answer those political polls when they call, back to work and out of my wallet. If they are on welfare, they should be on birth control. Mandatory. Get snipped and get your check. Good way to clean up the gene pool too. The day of the democrat has passed. Late 50's & early 60's they were a different group. Now .. Anyone who is trying to ban the Boyscouts because they don't allow studmuffins to be leaders of our male youth, is EVIL in my book. Anyone who boos the Boyscouts at a public function (DemocRAT convention), needs his/her arse kicked! I won't even go into pro choice BS.
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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2000, 05:41:00 PM »
Eagler, no, I pretty much stayed in minimum wage for the duration of time I worked there. And, I *was* supposed to make a living. In some places, you even have to *save* money so you an get tuition and an education later.

What Dnil left out of the equation is the size of the population given the raise, and the impact on the economy can be determined using economic models, to some accuracy. It has been shown, here and other places, that increasing the minimum wages does not lead to rampant inflation.

At the very least, minimum wages should be kept up with inflation. In some places, they haven't for years. And in a capitalistic world, he who produces the same goods cheaper, wins, so while the cost will be past on to some degree, the question is where and how. This is *not* a simple question.

Regarding welfare, you're suggesting a law that goes against the constitution and whole idea of freedom. It does not correspond well with the traditional American values of liberty. Coersion might work, but it is always better to gently nudge in a driection rather than pull in questions of freedom.

Doesn't look like the democrats are going anywhere for a while,. for better or worse.

I'll let you keep your views on homosexuals to yourself, all while shaking my head in disbelief.

Didn't the Boyscouts kick out a little kid when he didn't swore allegiance to god or whatnot? I'm pretty sure I can dig up the name. Tolerant bunch; good role models for our kids.

Good thing you don't go into the pro choice BS.

You Sir, is a perfect example of the image that pops up in most Europeans heads when they hear "republican"  . Take that as a compliment or something else, it's just a statement not meant to be anything more  .

"Make things as simple as they can be, but no simpler", paraphrasing Einstein. Methinks some of us are oversimplifying matters.



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Offline Eagler

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« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2000, 08:29:00 AM »
Thanks StSanta

Coming from a European, I'll take your post as a compliment  

I don't believe when they wrote the constitution they had any idea of the welfare program we now have in the states. What's wrong with working for a living? Too many people here laying around looking for the government to give them everything. The democrats only have to provide the illusion that the republicans are going to take away their free ride and whoa, they jump up and vote against it. Keeping the slick willie's in office.
Just for the record, I've been married since I was 19 (to the same wonderful woman)(1979). I've been a father since I was 19 (two fantastic sons). Hey guess what, I've been working full time since I was 19. I was raising a family on $3.10 an hour when I was 19 when minimum wage was $2.25. Working 55 to 70 hrs a week to provide for the family. I was fortunate to be in a line of work that provided massive amounts of overtime. No hand outs. No government assistance. I'm now a computer programmer for a large multimedia firm (about to become even larger  . So if I can do it, I wonder why most of the others can't. One word - LAZY. The government has made it too darn easy. Almost a drug for some. And when the republicans try to get these people to work, we're mean spirited.
The democrats are good in the way they provide a balance to the other extreme. I just can't see how any hard working, God fearing US citizen can buy into their agenda though.

As for the Boy Scouts, it's an organization with rules. Follow them or don't join. It's not like they've changed them or anything, pretty black and white.

As for homosexuals, nothing against them in their own place. Don't believe they should be leaders in the Boy Scouts just like I don't think heterosexual men should be leaders in the Girl Scouts. I have had many gay friends and associates. I'm fine with it as long as they don't flaunt it or try to pass it off as an alternative lifestyle to our youth.

StSanta,thanks again for your reponse and please don't take this personal as I do enjoy the deliberation.  

Toad, see what ya started  

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« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2000, 03:17:00 PM »
In regard to the pollution statement...

Mt. St. Helens prouduced more air pollution in that eruption then the entire human race has produced pretty much since the use of internal combustion engines began. And volcanic activity is not near what it use to be in the world.

The "evidence" of global warming is based on what is equivlant of a, well there is no equivlant, it doesn't hardly register on the geological clock.

We've been coming out of an small ice age for the last 600 years.

The Ozone hole was a big scare right? Then our friends the scientists figured out after some recalculations that the whole in the Ozone layer expands and contracts over time. Whoops.

I cannot stand it when people try to stand behind junk science.

Oh btw anyone who enlists both Cher and Oprah is absolutely not getting my vote. I have no idea how Cher's off key singing would help Gore, but the kiss thingy and Oprah are a MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE dirty way of fighting then the pathetic Bush add.

Al Gore - I went to Nam. Smoked a joint or two. Wrote about it. Woohoo.

GW Bush - My dad was in the Navy. He pulled some questionable strings to get me above a 100,000 man waiting list to get into the AFR. Can he help it he has connections? I mean, I DID keep the Cong outta Texas!

This is gonna be a bad 4 years coming, I just know it.

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« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2000, 03:32:00 PM »
Mt. St. Helens prouduced more air pollution in that eruption then the entire human race has produced pretty much since the use of internal combustion engines began. And volcanic activity is not near what it use to be in the world.

Not true.

The "evidence" of global warming is based on what is equivlant of a, well there is no equivlant, it doesn't hardly register on the geological clock.

Not true.

We've been coming out of an small ice age for the last 600 years.

Not true.

The Ozone hole was a big scare right? Then our friends the scientists figured out after some recalculations that the whole in the Ozone layer expands and contracts over time. Whoops.

Not true.

I cannot stand it when people try to stand behind junk science.

Neither can I, please stop.

Al Gore - I went to Nam. Smoked a joint or two. Wrote about it. Woohoo.

Funny how much this mattered to Republicans 4 and 8 years ago.  Gore was a combat reporter.  That means he was in the field.  No evidence that he "smoked a joint or two" as you so nicely insinuated.

GW Bush - My dad was in the Navy. He pulled some questionable strings to get me above a 100,000 man waiting list to get into the AFR. Can he help it he has connections? I mean, I DID keep the Cong outta Texas!

And smoked, drank and took who knows what illegal substances, but hey, since I'm a Republican they were just youthful indiscretions.  Now if a Democrat had done it, well, that'd be different.

Funny how the Republicans also cared about these issues so much more 4 and 8 years ago.

Go Al!!!  

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