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Offline BlueJ1

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« on: February 12, 2006, 07:22:58 PM »
(CNN) -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair has promised to investigate allegations of abuse by his country's forces in Iraq after a newspaper released what it said was a video showing soldiers savagely beating Iraqi youths.

The News of the World said on Sunday the alleged attack by eight soldiers, which followed a scene showing youths throwing stones at the soldiers, was videotaped in southern Iraq in early 2004. CNN has not confirmed the authenticity of the film.

"We take seriously any allegations of mistreatment, and this will be investigated very fully indeed," Blair told reporters after a meeting of left-of-center leaders in South Africa.

"But I have to say to you that the overwhelming majority of British troops in Iraq, as elsewhere, behave properly and are doing a great job. They are helping Iraqis to become the democracy they would like to be."

The News of the World said the scenes, which lasted about two minutes, were videotaped by a corporal "for fun," apparently from a nearby rooftop.

On the tape, the youths' pleas for mercy are ignored. The beatings include what appears to be a British soldier kicking one of the youths, shown pinned to the ground by other soldiers, in the genitals.

In another case, a soldier puts a boy in a headlock, then releases him only to butt his head against the boy's, then strike his fist on the boy's head.

The youth's cries can be heard on the tape, which shows a minute's worth of the attack -- with 42 blows counted, according to the newspaper.

The tape includes what sounds like a running commentary of approval from the cameraman. "Oh yes! Oh yes! You're gonna get it. Yes, naughty little boys!" the narrator can be heard saying as the blows land. "Die! Ha, ha!"

The News of the World said the video was shown to friends of the corporal in Europe, and one of them reported the incident to the tabloid newspaper.

The paper said it chose not to identify the soldiers' unit and regiment for security reasons.

The paper quoted the informant as saying: "These Iraqis were just kids. Most haven't even got shoes on. Those eight soldiers were pumped up and out of control. They're an insult to the thousands of soldiers who have worked so hard in Iraq with courage and dignity for so long.

"They're nothing but a gang of thugs."
British defense ministry issued a statement through British Brigadier Martin Rutledge, chief of staff of the adjutant general, in which he described the images as "extremely disturbing."

"We condemn all acts of abuse and always treat any allegations of wrongdoing extremely seriously," he said.

"Over 80,000 service men and women have served in Iraq since military service operations began. And a tiny number are alleged to be involved in instances of deliberate abuse. The most important thing now is that we now establish the facts and allow the legal process to run its course."
British Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn called for troops alleged to be involved to be suspended.

"I think it's awful and I think it will cause a lot of trouble in Iraq and I think it will also emphasize the whole point that the continued presence of British and American forces in Iraq are part of the problem, not the solution," he told ITV on Sunday.

Allegations of mistreatment have been leveled at British troops before, but not on the scale of the abuse carried out by Americans against prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib jail in a scandal that shocked the world in 2004.

Three British soldiers were jailed last year in a case brought after the publication of pictures taken in 2003 that showed Iraqi prisoners being beaten and forced to pose in sexually humiliating positions.

But another set of photos, which appeared in the Mirror newspaper, proved to be a hoax.


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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2006, 07:31:15 PM »
Out of 645 words of the article, only 10 words covered the kids throwing rocks at the soldiers.

176 words of the article describe in detail what the soldiers did.  

If the bias isn't clear enough for you, I'll lay out some specific examples.

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soldiers savagely beating Iraqi youths.

"These Iraqis were just kids. Most haven't even got shoes on. Those eight soldiers were pumped up and out of control. They're an insult to the thousands of soldiers who have worked so hard in Iraq with courage and dignity for so long.

"They're nothing but a gang of thugs."

abuse carried out by Americans against prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2006, 07:31:35 PM »
CBC showed part of the clip tonight here.

It looks worse than it really is.

Any one of us might have reacted the same way; the only difference is we are not wearing a British uniform.

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2006, 07:32:45 PM »
I never said I believed it. Ive long given up making my decisions on events until Ive read multiple different news sites and taken the information from all and made my own decsions right down the middle.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2006, 07:35:49 PM »
You don't believe it?  Your title for this thread gives your beliefs away.  

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2006, 07:39:25 PM »
Next time Iii'll be sure to put a question mark in there, just for you.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2006, 07:41:49 PM »
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Next time Iii'll be sure to put a question mark in there, just for you.


Bluej1, watch CBC or Global tonight, you can see the film yourself
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2006, 07:43:01 PM »
Yeah there was abuse in Iraq. Some punks tried to abuse the restraint of the British military and got called on it. They're just lucky the brits didn't "throw" back bullets:aok
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2006, 07:43:13 PM »
If someone threw a rock at me I would beat him too, let me guess these "youths" are late teens?
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2006, 07:44:34 PM »
You can see the movie for yourself here:

(from OGRISH dot com)

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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2006, 07:51:41 PM »
I just saw it.  The only thing that disturbed me about the whole thing was the guy speaking into the camera.  He was friggin wierd.  Probably needs mental help and should not be in the military.


What the soldiers did (I believe) was perfectly in line with what the kids deserved.  I saw nothing brutal, but they were being spanked with sticks.  If I ever caught one of my kids doing that, I'd spank them with a stick too.


Of course, this behavior is on the out and out in America.  I'd be willing to bet it wouldn't be tolerated in Britain.  

It's a shame that those (9?) soldiers will have their lives ruined over politics.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2006, 07:54:00 PM »
I dont think the soldiers were in the wrong. Its war. it could have been worse, their lucky they have their lives instead of some bruises.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2006, 07:54:06 PM »
Abuse? yea........right, we get accused of abuse, and yet its ok for them to cut off innocent peoples head? The Brits should have shot them dead right there on the spot

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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2006, 08:00:15 PM »
none of those kids was hurt...when you mess around the way those kids were, you have to expect to get knocked around if you get caught...that's the way it was when I grew up

Laser...ya...that guy doing the talking definately weirded me out

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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2006, 08:05:42 PM »
yes the commentary guy is a sicko.
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