Male activists want say in unplanned pregnancy

[CavemanJ]

Originally posted by LePaul
Yea I remeber seeing a few of those such cases in the press over the years [father wants baby, mother doesnt, he sues to block her from aborting].  Usually those are played out as the evil father forcing his choice on the girl, yada yada.

As to the Roe vs Wade issue, I think it should be reviewed and tossed.  This was a case that each state should decide for itself.  Rather than it rest of the whims of the court, let it rest with the people and its elected representatives in their state senate and congress.

As I said, its a reach.  Sure, be activists all you want.  And I know all too many "fathers" who'd love to resign from the role.  But this is a human life, not a pet dog or cat where you can just shuck it when its inconvenient.

If I'm understanding that, it's not an escape hatch to use any time you think it's inconvient.  You've got a window at the begining of the unwanted pregnency to bail out then.

[dmf]

Originally posted by Suave
Never trust a woman when it comes to birth control. Women are crazy, sooner or later they all want to get pregnant, and that will allways be a higher priority for them than a man's trust or respect.

What the hell is holding up the birth control pill for men ?

Excuse me but we are not crazy, we want to get married and live happily ever after too. But we can't always have that can we?  
No woman wants to get pregnant just because we can.
As for trust, show me a man that can be trusted.

[wrag]

Originally posted by dmf
Excuse me but we are not crazy, we want to get married and live happily ever after too. But we can't always have that can we?  
No woman wants to get pregnant just because we can.
As for trust, show me a man that can be trusted.

Many men feel the same way toward women.  

As to NO woman wants to get pregnant because she can.  I've seen one or two that put the lie to such a statement.  Thought they were crazy but after they got on welfare and started bringin in the money I decided perhaps they were crazy like a fox.

Knew one that had 6 children and NO husband.  Didn't want one either.  Some actually get their oldest daughter to have one and give it to em before the oldest daughter moves out.  Keeps the money comin in.

Me?  It don't matter now got fixed.  Too many diseases out there to just jump from partner to partner.  Got fixed cause got too many kids already.

Man that can be trusted?  From your wording I'm inclined to think it wouldn't matter if a man was actually trust worthy, you would be looking so hard for him to betray you no matter what he did he would somehow betray you.

[dmf]

Ok now I have to say this, anybody that does that isn't a woman, you guys have a different name for those kind.

[capt. apathy]

sounds fair to me.  if a woman has the right to opt out of parenthood so should the man.

[FiLtH]

Id agree.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by dmf

No woman wants to get pregnant just because we can.
As for trust, show me a man that can be trusted.

I wouldnt go that far. I've known a few women who used to get pregnant. just because they could.

Also could have very nearly gotten trapped myself by a chick that thought she was going to intentionally get pregnant without my having anything to say, or even letting me know about it.
Fortunatly for me she spouted off her plans to a mutual friend who in turn told her husband, who in turn clued me in as to her intentions.

I beat feet the hell out of there within the next week.

Damn shame she decided to turn to deceit as I really did like her and something might have eventually come of the relationship had she not broken my golden rule of "Dont make plans for us without talking to me first about it."

Now  the words "Dont tell Tom, But Im planning on getting pregnant again" (She already had one kid by a previous boyfriend) Qualifies in spades the breaking of that golden rule.

In my 44 years I have come to several conclusions. Most women are indeed whacked in the head crazy.

And Women can be trusted about as much as men. No more. No less.
Some you can trust, some you cant.

As for myself. I can be trusted so long as you dont give me reason not to break that trust.
Trust works both ways

[lazs2]

I agree that things should be fair but...

What is sounds like here is that the liberals here not only want to have abortion free and legal but that they want to be able to force it on women  so that they don't have to take any responsibility for their acts (getting women pregnant)...

lazs

[Suave]

BS, woman want to have children because... they want to have children. And that's irrational.

If they wanted children for selfless reasons they'd all adopt.

[lazs2]

I have found that there are two kinds of women in the world..

Those on anti depressants and those who should be.

lazs

[lasersailor184]

Interesting arguments.


But can the man just opt out of responsibility because he was careless?

I don't believe so.  Though I think it should weigh in some on any financial settlements in the future.


But if the pregnancy happened by pure accident or unforseen event, then it could be possible to opt out of responsibility.


If the woman gets pregnant out of pure vindictiveness, then the man should not have any responsibility at all.  Unless he chooses so.

[phookat]

Originally posted by lazs2
What is sounds like here is that the liberals here not only want to have abortion free and legal but that they want to be able to force it on women  so that they don't have to take any responsibility for their acts (getting women pregnant)...

No that's not what it's about.  The woman isn't forced to get an abortion.  Do you not think that the woman is screwing over the guy in this case?  Do you not think she defrauded him and is taking money from him based on an unfair legal situation?  Why does everything have to be made into a lib/con issue anyway.  Issues get muddled and shifted as people push agendas and play the "my team vs your team" game.  Just think for yourself.

[phookat]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
But can the man just opt out of responsibility because he was careless?

I don't believe so.  Though I think it should weigh in some on any financial settlements in the future.

Turn it around.  Can the woman just opt out of responsibility because she was careless?

In fact, yes she can.  For example, she can get an abortion within 3 days of conception.  She is given that choice.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Interesting arguments.


But can the man just opt out of responsibility because he was careless?

I don't believe so.  Though I think it should weigh in some on any financial settlements in the future.

I think I thought of a way it can be included.  Except in the cases of deception or coersion, both are equally responsable for the pregnancy.  So the father should share in the financial burden (compensate for a portion of lost wages etc.) if any, of the pregnancy up to the time of abortion or birth.  He can't get stretch marks or other physical changes caused by the birth, so he should compensate the mother for those things as well.

[lazs2]

phoocat... what would you suggest?  that if the man says "get an abortion" that it is the magic words that once, absolve him from any responsibility?

Perhaps no man should ever be responsible for the welfare of his child unless it was created in wedlock.   That would seem a reasonable thing.

lazs