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« Reply #165 on: March 29, 2006, 01:30:23 PM »
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You and I agree on this, why would any of the rest of the post matter?  It's none of their business, but religious interest groups MAKE it their business and use government to push their agenda.  As that link I sent showed, these laws are still being enforced.

Also, to the poster that asked why heterosexuals could perform 'sodomy' but gays couldn't?  The laws apply to the heterosexuals too.  There are plenty of places where oral sex is illegal in this country, but any enforcement is one sided.


Interesting.  I think I understand better now.  One sided?

Conditions apply I think.  Location as well perhaps.

If one does one thing in the privacy of ones home it's rather difficult to say it even happened.  If however one does the same outside, or in a public area of some sort, that is another thing.

Frequently the exchange of certain bodily fluids when done in a public place be it hetro or homo or whatever is prosecuted.

I'm inclined to think it isn't so much what is being done but WHERE it is being done.

I've known people that thought doing such in public was just fine.  However this attitude does not take into consideration the rights of those being forced to observe such.

Example?  I may not wish to turn a corner and suddenly be confronted by people preforming sex upon each other.  Basicaly wether I wished it or not I was just forced to watch.

You perhaps tell me well don't turn the corner. HUH? Say what?  Ahh so now I cannot travel as I will on the public streets?

So you don't want to be prosecuted GET A ROOM?
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« Reply #166 on: March 29, 2006, 01:35:36 PM »
It really is quite simple..If there is a victimless crime(consenting adults & nobody is harmed)..the gov't should mind it's own damn business.

In just about every country in the world,the laws are made based on moralistic veiws from religion.

eg..Weed(i know off topic)...i can't think of a single reason it is contraband other than smoke is unhealthy(can think of lots of legal stuff though that is a lot more harmfull)

say for instance someone invented a drug that had no harmfull effects(non addictive,no toxins whatsoever etc)..the govt (pressured by the religious right)would come up with some nasty sounding name for it and you would face jail for possession of it.
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« Reply #167 on: March 29, 2006, 02:02:51 PM »
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I ask you this.  Are those laws being enforced?  Has the SC upheld?

I don't think so.
I'm guessing you didn't read the link, it describes people being arrested for violating the sodomy laws.  That's one well accepted definition of "enforcement".
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« Reply #168 on: March 29, 2006, 02:05:24 PM »
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You perhaps tell me well don't turn the corner. HUH? Say what?  Ahh so now I cannot travel as I will on the public streets?

So you don't want to be prosecuted GET A ROOM?
Wrag,
These laws make no differentiation between what people do in their homes versus in public, you're making a bit of a straw man argument here.  I've never advocated public sex, but then again, I have evidence that you didn't read the article I sent that showed that people were being arrested for what they do in their own homes, so I can see how you'd be confused.

Take a moment to study the issue a bit better, and please be civil.  We're adults here, right?
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« Reply #169 on: March 29, 2006, 02:15:16 PM »
Ok.. so when was the latest anti sodomy law passed and who passed it?

contrast that with all the athiests trying to get anti gun laws passed all the time.

lazs
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« Reply #170 on: March 29, 2006, 02:26:12 PM »
why u labelling athiests anti-gun Lazs?..i think any free-thinker knows illegal possesion/smuggling of arms is the problem.
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« Reply #171 on: March 29, 2006, 02:29:56 PM »
A lot of christians are pro firearms rights... a lot of athiests are anti firearms rights.... I can lump em all together like chair can't I?

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« Reply #172 on: March 29, 2006, 02:36:48 PM »
it's too easy to blame societal problems on objects i agree...

much harder to deal with actual criminals.
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« Reply #173 on: March 29, 2006, 02:44:16 PM »
sirloin.... too easy for politicians to do so... I agree.   Too old a trick for anyone of any brains to fall for too I would think but.....  Just watch for some of beets posts for instance.  

Makes ya lose faith in humanity or.... try to avoid it when it bunches up.

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« Reply #174 on: March 29, 2006, 03:04:23 PM »
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A lot of christians are pro firearms rights... a lot of athiests are anti firearms rights.... I can lump em all together like chair can't I?

lazs


Really? Athiests are pro-ban?

I really never equated the two. I'll start asking tho.. wonder whut the connection is.

Henh.

Laz;  I hate it when yah make me think.
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« Reply #175 on: March 29, 2006, 03:14:11 PM »
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Wrag,
These laws make no differentiation between what people do in their homes versus in public, you're making a bit of a straw man argument here.  I've never advocated public sex, but then again, I have evidence that you didn't read the article I sent that showed that people were being arrested for what they do in their own homes, so I can see how you'd be confused.

Take a moment to study the issue a bit better, and please be civil.  We're adults here, right?


Hmmm.......

Exactly how am I being uncivil?  Is this an attempt at misdirection?

Hmmmm.....

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1997218#post1997218

yes the laws make no differentiation between home and public.  You are saying that law enforcment people are going into people homes?

How are they finding out that these things are happening???????

Further I'm pretty sure, regarding occurances within a private home, the SC has slapped it down if it reached that far.
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« Reply #176 on: March 29, 2006, 05:04:21 PM »
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contrast that with all the athiests trying to get anti gun laws passed all the time.

lazs
What?  I'm an atheist, and I'm anti-ban.  I'm a gun owning, 2nd amendment spouting, NRA member.

I don't know any atheists who are pro-ban.  Can you provide any examples in this country?
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« Reply #177 on: March 29, 2006, 05:08:04 PM »
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yes the laws make no differentiation between home and public.  You are saying that law enforcment people are going into people homes?

Further I'm pretty sure, regarding occurances within a private home, the SC has slapped it down if it reached that far.
If you had read the article, you would have seen that yes, police DID go into peoples homes, and that the Supreme Court did not overrule it.

You've brought a knife to a gunfight, please learn the facts to avoid looking silly.  The sodomylaws link you responded to talked about this, I believe, but apparently you didn't get a chance to review it.
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« Reply #178 on: March 30, 2006, 07:37:39 AM »
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If you had read the article, you would have seen that yes, police DID go into peoples homes, and that the Supreme Court did not overrule it.

You've brought a knife to a gunfight, please learn the facts to avoid looking silly.  The sodomylaws link you responded to talked about this, I believe, but apparently you didn't get a chance to review it.


After giving the matter what I consider due consideration.  I'm done here.

I have repeatedly expressed my opinion of your techniques.  How you address an issue.  The methods you use.

From my point of view all you will do, and have done, is duck the issue accept when you seem to feel you can twist what is said to what you consider an advantage.  IMHO it's not worth the time to attempt communication with anyone that uses such techniques.  I could go into WHY I don't trust, but that would be a VERY long thread.

I really don't care if you believe there is or is not a supreme or higher being.

After all, if there is, then in time you will know.  If there is not, then there is no problem.  Either way that isn't any of my business.

As to the arrest you refer to.  There has to be something that is NOT being fully revealed here.  I have very little trust in the major media and it's ability to accurately report issues.  Further due to the techinques that I preceive you useing I don't fully trust what you say.  

Again.... could go into WHY I don't trust, but that would be a VERY long thread.
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« Reply #179 on: March 30, 2006, 07:52:44 AM »
There are few attempts to enforce anti-sodomy laws today.  At least, the authorities don't seem to make a habit of kicking down doors in the middle of the night to catch people in the act.

Where the sodomy is performed is undoubtedly the key to understanding why some are arrested for violating such laws.  Perform ANY sexual act in public and you are liable to find you buh-hind in the slammer...where it deserves to be.
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