Loose Cannons - and the future of Aces High

[lazs2]

gonzo... I really don't care how many fields you capture.... we have too many as it is.... I don't care where you do it..... so long as it is somewhere I am not.  

I do wonder why so many enjoy fighting toolsheds tho... It seems impossible to enjoy unless you are enjopying the griefer aspect..  or... you can't afford a joystick.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Edbert]

Originally posted by 96Delta
I enjoy dogfighting just the same as you guys.
I just can't sustain my interest in the game
on doing just that.  It gets boring..no matter
how many kills I land.  Its quite meaningless for
me unless it contributes to the achievement
of a greater objective.

Delta, with all due respect (I mean that too) I beleive we just enjoy different things. There's nothing wrong with that at all and it adds to the richness of the game for all those involved in my opinion. To you the endless furball is repetitive, up - shoot - kill - land/die - repeat, to me every dogfight is different and has little to do with landing kills and more to do with learning techniques. To me flying for a hour to gain altitude while heavy and commute with eggs to a base to bomb things that put up no resistance in a part of the map (or at an altitude) where there are no ememies is boring, to you it involves hard work that applies to the greater good and ultimate winning of the war. Doesn't mean one of us is right and the other is wrong.

Originally posted by DamnedRen
Point is these boards have had nasty trash on them as long as I've been reading em and that doesn't do much to foster a great community.

Originally posted by DamnedRen (he later deleted it but not before it was cpatured)
The overall nastiness of this BBS has come about due to the antisocial behavior or our resident kiddies the blu knights.

Originally posted by DamnedRen (this one he did not delete)
For the past few years and until only recently all anyone saw was trash talk about anyone and anything by our good buddies, the blu knights.

So Ren, which is it; is the trash talking on the intardnet the fault of the BKs or has it in fact been around forever? Or did you just skip your meds this week?

I'm still amazed that someone with your level of hatred, vitriol, and animosity is still an official representative of HTC to the community. I'm not saying you are the worst, far from it in fact, but among those chosen to represent HTC you are in a league of your own. I have noticed an increasing number of opponents who bail out before they can be killed, your training efforts are paying off!

[lazs2]

that guy is a trainer too?  LOL..

no wonder.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Zazen, no amount of tricky back-peddling will change the xenophobic things you posted. I found it offensive in the extreme and don't forget, forgive, or turn my back on  people who traffic in such thinking.

 

Who's backpedalling? I admit I hate toolshedding and think anyone who deliberately and consciously kills furballs (and/or FT) deserves to be boiled in oil. Myself and all those like me have a lively and active underground conspiracy to thwart the efforts of you toolshedders. Enjoy it, learn to like it, because so long as you guys act that way we will do whatever is necessary to prevent you from disrupting gameplay in that manner...We didn't choose your path, we are just re-acting to it accordingly...If you don't like our reaction to your ways, choose another path...It's real simple...


Zazen

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
Change? What change? This has been going on for years.

Yup ... the same song only in a different key is all ...

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by lazs2
...

I do wonder why so many enjoy fighting toolsheds tho... It seems impossible to enjoy unless you are enjopying the griefer aspect..  or... you can't afford a joystick.
 

I don't understand the appeal of going into a trans-sonic dive to shoot up an outhouse either. Back in the day we called them "radar runners" ... because the radar tower was all there was to pork ... and that was at $6/hr ... imagine spending $2 or $3 to shoot at outhouse and auger!

As much as you hate seeing furballs blown-out I also hate seeing 10 or 20 people battling to establish CAP over a base to it can be taken only to find that they wasted half an hour because one lone jerk slipped out and porked all the nearby troops.

The point I was trying to establish was that it's all the same basic problem - it ain't just one squad.


I think some small changes to the MA could help this problem - by both reducing the effects of porking and making it something less "important" to do:

- Killing barracks reduces the troop capacity of a C47/GV by 50%
- Killing ordinance removes 500 pound and above bombs (rockets and 250's still avail)
- Killing FH removes fighters below 40 ENY (40 and above are still avail)
- Killing BH disables bomber formations but singles can still take off (il2 for base defense)

So even if someone bombs a base flat, its not defenseless. And the Lone Porkman greifers can't ruin the game for the people who are into capturing bases.

[ghi]

Originally posted by 96Delta
.
Our biggest BUF run to date was 37 bomber pilots.

  Was that the raid on Bish HQ, on Baltic map  few weeks ago? B24s/Lancs?
We did set up a interception  mission, Me163s only, about 20-30 bishops joined, I remember guys that joined screaming  in tower: -STRART now! , they are getting to close to HQ!
   But i knew the range of the Comets and your alt, soo we took off just in time, we slaughtered your mission,
 You guys didn't hit watermelon HQ, and didn't have survievers in that mission.
Was imop, the best  huge fight i ever seen in AH in 4 years, 2 huge horde colided. thx for the fun!
   
   
 

[Waffle]

Wow  Doc - Looks like Zazen is the one you're arguing against...lol I don't think it's a "community" issue- mabye that old "vocal minority" rearing it's head again.



Total Posts: 472
User    Posts
DoKGonZo    67
Zazen13    50
96Delta    23
DamnedRen    18
killnu    18
Hoarach    18
Masherbrum    17
lazs2    12
SlapShot    11
Hangtime    10
Simaril    10
 (cut it off at 10 + post this thread)

[Grimm]

Perhaps The die hard dog fighting crowd should have a way to grief the bomber guys.  

Every time you shoot down an enemy fighter,  it reduces the bombs available to the enemy.   Shoot down enough fighters and there are no bombs.    

That might have some folks squealing  

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Zazen13
... Myself and all those like me have a lively and active underground conspiracy to thwart the efforts of you toolshedders. Enjoy it, learn to like it, because so long as you guys act that way we will do whatever is necessary to prevent you from disrupting gameplay in that manner......
 

You're doing a nice job trying to soften your message but your past words are there for all to see. You have shown everyone what you are.

No one appointed you the head of the AH Police. Where you come off thinking its your job or your calling to dictate how the game is played? You are only trying to protect one form of gameplay - the one you like.

You can take your underground and shove it ... changing sides is no big deal ... that's what you're supposed to do when you don't like someone or something where you are now. But as far as I'm concerned anyone who deliberately spies on a teammate, or promotes and organizes it - even in a dumb game - is forever unworthy of my trust.

Anyone who's followed this thread now knows that the instant they disagree with you, they can't trust you because you will stab them in the back if it suits your needs. Enjoy it, learn to like it.

[JMFJ]

(Posted by DoKGonZo-You are only trying to protect one form of gameplay - the one you like.)

Almost every post on this forum is drenched with this attitude, "my way is the right way, everyone else is ruining the game".

JMFJ

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Grimm
Perhaps The die hard dog fighting crowd should have a way to grief the bomber guys.  

...

I think the question that we should have been asking from the start is "Why do people pork?" And it's not just about griefing. Then we could have probably figured a way to handle all the variants of it.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Wow  Doc - Looks like Zazen is the one you're arguing against...lol I don't think it's a "community" issue- mabye that old "vocal minority" rearing it's head again.
 

Oh I know, Waffle. I know what he's trying to do.

But I'm hoping something useful can be salvaged from this; if I didn't think that was possible I'd have bailed already.

[mars01]

Almost every post on this forum is drenched with this attitude, "my way is the right way, everyone else is ruining the game".

You know all of you guys holding on to this notion is just wrong.  If you like to be wrong then go ahead and continue.  IT's really working out well for you LOLH

Furballers would care less about the WAR types if they did not affect logging in and finding a furball and a fight.  FT/TT go a long way to make that a new reality.  No furballers are telling the WAR camp they have to stop trying to win the war.  All we are saying is why cant you go and win the war on the 147 other fields and leave the 3 fields where the furball is alone.  Every thread that is so drenched is telling the furballers to shut up, quit whining and play the WAR game.  Not the other way around.

IMO if the war group actually dropped FHrs when a goon was around I wouldn't mind it as much, but most of the time the WAR buffs see a fight and just go and drop the hangers for no other reason than to stop the fight.

[ghi]

Originally posted by 96Delta
I have a serious question.
What do you dedicated furballers
(players who want to do noting but have dogfights)
get out of the game?  Don't you ever get bored with
the repetitiveness of it?  What I mean is, it seems
so pointless to me.

Take off, dogfight, get a couple of kills,
land them and do it all over again?  Is that it?
Doesn't that get stale after a while?

I did the fighter plane/dogfight thing pretty much
exclusively during my last two subscriptions.  A
bomber missionw as a rarity, as was mission
participation.  Know what?  I got bored both times
and canceled my subscription.  

But now, thanks to the LCA,  I've discovered all the
richness that the game has to offer and am finally
enjoying all the depth that this game has.

Now, what do you get out of it?  And how can you not
get bored after a couple of weeks doing the same thing
over and over like I did?

The LCA does alot of different things!  We dogfight,
we bomb, we capture bases, we do tank battles,
PT boat stuff, we resupply bases, etc....

What I can't for the life of me udnerstand is
why on earth anyone would just want to eat the
same meal everyday when the menu is so rich
with alternatives?  Why limit yourselves?

I'm really puzzled by this seemingly obsessive view of
only one aspect of this incredibly diverse game.
Please enlighten me.  What am I missing?  
Is is all about seeing your name is lights? What
is it?

 
First humans lived in caves, and were afraid to get out cuz a frikin lazy fat arce Dino was waiting out for a fast meal !
 Soo, they were thinking, thinking, ... and BINGO! let's get organized and build  hordes, tribes  and kicked DINO's but!
They did it and were succsesful! We call that now ,Evolution of human society!
  I see LCA as a evolution in AH, not a steep back!


 600 players online every evening, Why should all   flya chaotic endless furball !? Isn't that borring!?
   Furbaling is fun, but if, the bases would be uncapturable, what to fight for!!? Polish up the fighting skills!? What for to be good , if not doing something useful for your team!?
 If the bases would be uncapturable, without final goal wining or not lossing the war, over 60-70%  of the players ,including myself would cancel acount. the game would colapse,
  Salutte, LCA ,96Delta, aStone and all your clones!


  P.S. Watch for your Goon!;)