Author Topic: Loose Cannons - and the future of Aces High (Read 26253 times)

Zazen13 · « **Reply #420 on:** April 06, 2006, 05:09:44 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo

I hope HT has some money socked away because your "good of the game" is to deliberately drive away customers who don't agree with how you think the game should be played. And driving business away from HTC is a line that not even I would cross.

As talented as you guys are, having your intentions telegraphed to your opponents should be no problemo.

When you thrive on a mode of play that deprives others of their fun expect equal treatment...

Zazen

Hoarach · « **Reply #421 on:** April 06, 2006, 05:20:33 PM »

Why would you want to up from a base and fly 2 hours to get to your high alts of 20k march in undefended to a base pork it to hell and then leave for another 2 hour flight back home. Say it with me BORING BORING and YES BORING.

Fighters give you the experience of actually trying to learn ACM and getting quick fights and sometimes adrenaline going through your body. You learn to fly a fighter to the best of its abilities and learn styles of others. I can pretty much tell who maybe flying the plane im against by how he/she is flying the plane and what plane it is.

When someone wins a 1v1 or anything of that form you usually recieve a or a good fight. When has a buff pilot gotten a or good job for porking furballs or just leveling a base to leave. When has field start told a bomber pilot good job for bombing me. When a buff pilot porks a furball they get yelled at and told to leave etc. and yet it puzzles me why buff pilots continue to do it. Just shows how self-centered buff pilots are.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #422 on:** April 06, 2006, 05:38:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
As talented as you guys are, having your intentions telegraphed to your opponents should be no problemo. When you thrive on a mode of play that deprives others of their fun expect equal treatment...

Well this is the fourth rationalization in the last 24 hours for CHEATING.

Actually 4th and 5th if you want to get technical.

So, Zaz, taking all you various edicts into account. If you're justified in dishing out "equal treatment" doesn't that make you equally culpable for the kind of bad behavior you say you are trying to rid the game of? You're just a different kind of Griefer is all.

And a cheater, of course.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #423 on:** April 06, 2006, 05:43:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Hoarach
Why would you want to up from a base and fly 2 hours to get to your high alts of 20k march in undefended to a base pork it to hell and then leave for another 2 hour flight back home. Say it with me BORING BORING and YES BORING.
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If a bomb falls on an undefended base, does it make a sound?

But OK ... why would a fighter pilot want to spend 10 or 15 minutes getting to a reasonable altitude heading to an enemy base, not help any friendlies in distress on the way, avoid any enemy contact on the way, for the chance to shoot a couple toolsheds and make a couple passes on the runway before being ultimately killed?

That happens a hell of a lot more than bombers killing a FH, and you aren't upset about that. How come? I'm not trying to be a dick ... it's the same basic behavior, yet I only see one side of the problem being hollered about.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #424 on:** April 06, 2006, 05:59:17 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
doesn't that make you equally culpable for the kind of bad behavior you say you are trying to rid the game of? You're just a different kind of Griefer is all.

Not at all, what we do is specifically targetted and designed to modify behavior for the improvement of gameplay for everyone (except the offending griefers of griefers of course). What you and your ilk do is ruin the gameplay for everyone indiscriminantly, even and epsecially your own teammates. Quite different and distinct...

Zazen

Zazen13 · « **Reply #425 on:** April 06, 2006, 06:00:55 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I'm not trying to be a dick ...

!?!??

soupcan · « **Reply #426 on:** April 06, 2006, 06:02:26 PM »

this thread is absolutely the stupidest yet the funniest thing i've ever read........

before i continue would like to point out i am a base capture type who
supports TT and FT................

some of u think flying buffs is boring ... so dont fly them .
obviously many people enjoy buffing....so quit dumping on them.

dont like hoards coming in and taking yer base?.........up your own hoard
and shoot them down or go to another area of map.

finally one thing for zazen..............
for a guy who seems to trumpet the virtues of the "furball"
you sure do spend alot of time in field guns or ostis.
dont get me wrong you are a heck of a shot in those guns
but from your posts one would think the only thing worthwhile
in this game is "furballing".

killnu · « **Reply #427 on:** April 06, 2006, 06:10:03 PM »

osties and field guns kill the vulchers who keep the fighters down. think he is good enough in them that its kinda like reverse vulching though.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #428 on:** April 06, 2006, 06:11:21 PM »

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Originally posted by soupcan
finally one thing for zazen..............
for a guy who seems to trumpet the virtues of the "furball"
you sure do spend alot of time in field guns or ostis.
dont get me wrong you are a heck of a shot in those guns
but from your posts one would think the only thing worthwhile
in this game is "furballing".

I spend alot of time in AA specifically because I love furballing. The less vulching there is the more actual fights there are. When I am wielding my 37mm I am allowing my team (and ironically the attacking team) to furball where they would otherwise be vulched/vulching. If you push the vulchers off a field you have a furball. It was for this reason I posted my aiming secrets, my goal was that others, on all teams, also become as proficient as myself with 37mm and afford me the same additional opportunities to furball. You see whether the team I am on or the enemy team has good AA gunners makes no difference the result is the same...better and longer-lasting fights...less vulching....for everyone...

Zazen

Zazen13 · « **Reply #429 on:** April 06, 2006, 06:12:54 PM »

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Originally posted by killnu
osties and field guns kill the vulchers who keep the fighters down. think he is good enough in them that its kinda like reverse vulching though.

I'm not going to argue there, but vulching stifles gameplay, killing vulchers enhances gameplay in that defenders can then up reasonably safely, have the opportunity to somewhat equalize E states with the would-be vulchers and commence furballing with them...

Zazen

Urchin · « **Reply #430 on:** April 06, 2006, 06:24:05 PM »

Did you actually start "furballing" yet Zazen?

I remember couple years ago your version of "furballing" involved mainly fast planes and numbers...

soupcan · « **Reply #431 on:** April 06, 2006, 06:25:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
I spend alot of time in AA specifically because I love furballing. The less vulching there is the more actual fights there are. When I am wielding my 37mm I am allowing my team (and ironically the attacking team) to furball where they would otherwise be vulched/vulching. If you push the vulchers off a field you have a furball. It was for this reason I posted my aiming secrets, my goal was that others, on all teams, also become as proficient as myself with 37mm and afford me the same additional opportunities to furball. You see whether the team I am on or the enemy team has good AA gunners makes no difference the result is the same...better and longer-lasting fights...less vulching....for everyone...

ok good answer

Grimm · « **Reply #432 on:** April 06, 2006, 07:11:34 PM »

Wow! I really need to get more Active again!

I think Im qualified to comment on this.

"Whats the difference between the LCA and the RJO?"

Now first let me say Iv never done anything with LCA and and have gotten my info from these nice discussions.

The RJO was really more Strategic in the fact that they were planned sometimes months in advance. Much of the work of gathering the horde, planning assignments, what sqauds should work together and things like that happened often before hand.

RJO Operation Big Load was planned by Bullethead and Myself. It was several months of planning and a huge rallying campaign to have a huge turn out. We had a war room settup in my home and Gunner and Keebler assist during the exectuction.

The Rooks first primary target was to destroy every strat in a country and then the feilds. After that, we changed fronts and flattened the other country and took the reset. Yes there was much complaining and gloating afterwards.

Hitech himself took great interest on how it went because it was the only time to my knowledge that the entire strat sytem was totaly taken down.

The RJO was limited to an occasional night, sometimes months apart. It did result in some squads working more closely together since the cooperation tended to build friendships. It was a Horde, and Hording all the time gets dull. An occasional one isnt so bad.

The LCA seems to be more tactical as I read it. I appears to be more off cuff planned with whoever is around and on their channel.

The LCA appears to be nightly thing that happens whenever like minded people are on.

I had a great debate with Grizzy on this once (How is the old bear?) The Problem with constant hording is, as stated above, it gets dull. It is not fun to be on the receiving, and steaming rolling feild begin to lose luster after a short time. People grow bored with the game. It isnt good for long term game play IMHO.

The LCA sounds like constant Hording to me.

With that said, I would like to add...

Zazen yer a Dweeb
Slapshot yer a Dweeb
Edbert yer a Dweeb
Karaya yer a Dweeb (Sir!)
Filth yer a Dweeb
Nobaddy yer a Dweeb
Guppy yer a Dweeb (Dutch/Earl is doing good)
Laz yer a Dweeb
Dok yer a Dweeb

The Rest of you I havent mentioned! Yer all Dweebs too!

Masherbrum · « **Reply #433 on:** April 06, 2006, 07:41:22 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
What caused players to shift to Rooks right around then? Who knows ... maybe it was winning resets ... maybe it was random ... it certainly wasn't through any kind of recruitment.

And I think that it was this unrelated odds swing which made the difference in perception. The LCA just doesn't run missions all that big ... unless it's a big bomber thing ... or mass Ju-87's ... or something like that. Were it not for all these other new Rooks piling on, this "Horde" myth would never have come up. Well, it woulda anyway, but it would just a bigger lie than is being told now.

And there was another reason. Some folks in this "anti LCA" group have more or less admitted in the BBS they have "sources of information" about where the LCA are operating ... spies. It's bad enough seeing these people argue about standards of behavior and then basically say they're willing to outright cheat to fulfill their moral agenda. But when you get a dozen players to fly 110's and C47's for two sectors overland NOE, and then it gets ruined because one of these spies tipped off the other side and you just wasted half an hour ... well, dropping FH makes sense, then, don't it?

1st. I have been a Rook since I joined this game. I do NOT recall you flying in Rookland for more than a month or two.

2nd. When I return from my PC Rebuild Break, I will HAVE NO QUALMS about INFORMING Bish and Knight friends where your attacks are coming from, IF you are deliberately killing furballs.

3rd. Your "opinion of how I interpret" the "rapidity or boredom of furball" is none of your damn business. You know damn well what you are doing, and are trying to be cute in your sarcastic replies.

4th. Your pussifed "tactics" are forcing Friends I have had since I came into this game, to LEAVE ROOKLAND. Not a "monthly rotation", but flat-out leaving. Hooch, Killn, Corky, Jamusta, and the rest of the 475th, you'll be missed. I had so much fun winging with you guys for the past 8-10 months.

5th. Zazen, we've had a fun ride in the MA these last 4 years and I am sorry to see you left, personally, I don't blame you.

The whole thing makes me sick.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #434 on:** April 06, 2006, 08:02:08 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
But OK ... why would a fighter pilot want to spend 10 or 15 minutes getting to a reasonable altitude heading to an enemy base, not help any friendlies in distress on the way, avoid any enemy contact on the way, for the chance to shoot a couple toolsheds and make a couple passes on the runway before being ultimately killed?

Heh. You're sneaking. Your example is only a different version of a toolshedder, using a different plane. A better example would be, "Why would a fighter pilot want to spend 15 minutes getting to a reasonable altitude heading to an enemy base, not help any friendlies in distress on the way, avoid any enemy contact on the way, for the chance to have a 1 v 1 in which he dies after approximately three seconds of combat?"

- oldman (just trying to keep it on point)