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Offline mora

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« Reply #285 on: April 14, 2006, 09:34:40 AM »
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I wonder how the gays who were "regestered relationships" would feel about letting in the pedophiles and incest groups and polygamists?

Pedophilia is a crime and there's allways a victim, so it has nothing to do with this issue. Homosexuality between consenting adults was/is a victimless crime, even if it used to be/is criminalized somewhere.

Registered incest relationships would be ok only if the persons were sterile. There would problems in verification though, and it would be such a rare occurance that it's unlikely to happen.

Registered polygamy relationship would be fine by me.

And no, I don't have a registered relationship.
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« Reply #286 on: April 14, 2006, 09:47:14 AM »
mora...  I am sure that someone could make a case for a borderline peophile.   Homosexuals risk aids at an alarming rate... why would incest be any different... they could promise to be careful.    polygamy?  I don't care much and you don't either but... we don't speak for the "regestered relationship" crowd.

Are there any rules?  is anyone excluded?   Are straight couples excluded?

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« Reply #287 on: April 14, 2006, 09:49:37 AM »
In the U.S.  why do gays want to be married... perhaps that is how we should approch the discussion.   What are the reasons..

I will start... Is it community property?

Is it health benifiets?

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« Reply #288 on: April 14, 2006, 10:52:12 AM »
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If by not referring to gays as non-humans, or by thinking they aren't freaks mutants and perverts who do in fact deserve to live on ths planet this means I totally condone and support the gay lifestyle, then fine. By your definition I suppose I do.  


Nice dance around. Don`t worry about my definition. My stance is obvious.
You do or don`t support/condone the gay lifestlye? Simple question. Yes or no would work.
It would seem to me that someone supporting the enactment of laws for gays to be married would be supporting/condoning the lifestyle.

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So, it's ME you are trying to look stupid?


Speak for yourself. Grow a pair.

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You are a lost cause...I can see that.


Naw..my cause is far from "lost". I think that`s what rubs you the wrong way.
That`s a good thing. :aok

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Fact is, it is more than likely that a gay person, doctor, dentist, lawyer, whatever, have already helped you out and you never knew it.


Had an appointment with a dentist in a new area. Arrived..dentist was a tail swisher. Told him where he could stuff his practice and his lifestyle, left made an appointment with a dentist I knew personaly. End of story.

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Unfortunately they probably didn't know your views.


Yea, very unfortunate. :rofl

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I hope your views turn around and bite you on the rear end...so to speak.  


Break out your Voodoo doll and pins. Maybe that will work for you. Do try to keep the spittle from dropping on the doll while you are obviously frothing at the mouth.
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« Reply #289 on: April 14, 2006, 11:23:31 AM »
....and your a 'Father'?

I shudder to think that your teaching your kids to 'debate' and 'think' in such a way.  It's really not good for their brains.  People that can't argure logicaly don't do too well in school.

And intresting quote from San Antonio..... I wonder what you know about SA and Texas.... or if you just like to thump your poser chest like Bush?

Why don't you "Grow a Pair" and face some arguements.

You can't define Male or Female except in your twisted and perverted brain.  Lets see you try.... I've asked many times.

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« Reply #290 on: April 14, 2006, 12:18:43 PM »
From an online medical dictionary:

Male:
1. An individual of the sex that begets or procreates young, or (in a wider sense) to the sex that produces spermatozoa, by which the ova are fertilized;

Female:
1. An individual of the sex which conceives and brings forth young, or (in a wider sense) which has an ovary and produces ova.
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« Reply #291 on: April 14, 2006, 12:35:13 PM »
What about people that don't fall into such defenitions?

Where do you draw the line, Where does one person get an 'exception' and another doesn't?

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« Reply #292 on: April 14, 2006, 12:37:38 PM »
BluKitty, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but what does that have to do with gay marriage?
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« Reply #293 on: April 14, 2006, 12:41:57 PM »
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What about people that don't fall into such defenitions?

Where do you draw the line, Where does one person get an 'exception' and another doesn't?


Exceptions are overblown.

From Dictionary.com:

Human: a bipedal primate mammal of the genus Homo (H. sapiens)

Reasonable thought:

Someone who is in a wheelchair who is not bipedal is still a human.
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« Reply #294 on: April 14, 2006, 01:32:33 PM »
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....and your a 'Father'?

I shudder to think that your teaching your kids to 'debate' and 'think' in such a way.  It's really not good for their brains.  People that can't argure logicaly don't do too well in school.
 


Well...get you a blanket hoss. The cold is what is making you shudder. You`re out in it. :rolleyes:
All four daughters are grown. All four were in top of their class. You have any "logical" argument?

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And intresting quote from San Antonio..... I wonder what you know about SA and Texas....


Quite a bit. What you wanting to know? Use another thread please and I`ll see if I can help you out. :)

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You can't define Male or Female except in your twisted and perverted brain.  Lets see you try.... I've asked many times.


Yea, you have and if you will notice , up to this point you have been totaly ignored. Why`s the sky blue? Where does rain come from?. What color is clear? Give it a rest.
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« Reply #295 on: April 14, 2006, 01:57:04 PM »
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Why`s the sky blue? Where does rain come from?. What color is clear? Give it a rest.


The blue color of the sky is due to Rayleigh scattering. As light moves through the atmosphere, most of the longer wavelengths pass straight through. Little of the red, orange and yellow light is affected by the air.

However, much of the shorter wavelength light is absorbed by the gas molecules. The absorbed blue light is then radiated in different directions. It gets scattered all around the sky. Whichever direction you look, some of this scattered blue light reaches you. Since you see the blue light from everywhere overhead, the sky looks blue.

On the surface of water, molecules continuously travel between the gaseous and liquid form.  When there is enough energy for the water to give up more vapor than it absorbs, the vapor which is now warm, rises into the atmosphere until it is cooled by the surrounding air.  

When enough water vapor is concentrated in a given volume of air, the vapor comes out of solution with the air and forms tiny droplets.  These are seen as clouds.

When the aerodynamic forces are too small to keep the droplets in suspension, the droplets begin to fall.

This is where rain comes from.

As color is a wavelength of light, the color we see on objects is actually the reflected lightwaves from that object.  A reflection from the surface of a completely clear object would be all the spectrum of the light source.

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #296 on: April 14, 2006, 02:07:55 PM »
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In the U.S.  why do gays want to be married... perhaps that is how we should approch the discussion.   What are the reasons..

I will start... Is it community property?

Is it health benifiets?

lazs


I think you are right lazs...it probably IS the best way to approach the issue.

I think that community property is one reason.  In a hetero relationship if a man and woman live together for a certain period of time in many countries thay are considered "married" under common law.  This would entitle the lower wage earner to a share of the property/assets after a break-up.  Perhaps this is one reason why they want the ability to marry.

I'm not sure about health benefits, but I would imagine that is one of the issues.  If a husband has health insurance generally the spouse, and children are covered under that policy.  I doubt the same applies for a gay couple.

Another issue could be the adoption of children.  Perhaps it would be easier for a gay couple to adopt if they were legally married, I don't know.

What about tax benefits?  It has been so long since I studied any US tax laws and I just don't remember if there is any advantage to being married.  Do you know?

The registered relaionship is not something I am familiar with.  Where did you find out about this?  I'll do a little googling.
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« Reply #297 on: April 14, 2006, 02:26:05 PM »
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The blue color of the sky is due to Rayleigh scattering. As light moves through the atmosphere, most of the longer wavelengths pass straight through. Little of the red, orange and yellow light is affected by the air.

However, much of the shorter wavelength light is absorbed by the gas molecules. The absorbed blue light is then radiated in different directions. It gets scattered all around the sky. Whichever direction you look, some of this scattered blue light reaches you. Since you see the blue light from everywhere overhead, the sky looks blue.

On the surface of water, molecules continuously travel between the gaseous and liquid form.  When there is enough energy for the water to give up more vapor than it absorbs, the vapor which is now warm, rises into the atmosphere until it is cooled by the surrounding air.  

When enough water vapor is concentrated in a given volume of air, the vapor comes out of solution with the air and forms tiny droplets.  These are seen as clouds.

When the aerodynamic forces are too small to keep the droplets in suspension, the droplets begin to fall.

This is where rain comes from.

As color is a wavelength of light, the color we see on objects is actually the reflected lightwaves from that object.  A reflection from the surface of a completely clear object would be all the spectrum of the light source.

Hope this helps.


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« Reply #298 on: April 14, 2006, 04:13:47 PM »
curval.... if it is community property then there is no need to marry.... any contract would work and "regestered relationship" could have that as part of it.

most health benifiets today are a package... you get so much... you can spend it or not.  it is usually some portion or all of what it would cost to insure a "family"... if you are single you get the balance to in cash or 451's say... that is something everyone should be pushing for in a health plan... not some kind of gay marriage...  gay marriage only helps gays with this.

children?   why would it make it easier for them to adopt than say a "regestered relationship"?   I would not want them to adopt in any case but.... If that is their agenda it seems weak.... regestered relationship would mean the same thing for all legal contracts.

Sooo...  I don't think any of those reasons are valid or, if nothing else... worth destroying a current institution or marginalizing it.

Some say that incestuous couples shouldn't be allowed to marry because.... well... there aren't that many of em?  what is the numbers cut off for human rights?    There are enough gays (or are there?) who want to get married so... they made the cutoff point and their rights are worthwhile?   incest, polygamy and all the other various forbidden groups don't have enough numbers?

Is there some other point to this that I am not being told about?   What is wrong with finlands solution?

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« Reply #299 on: April 14, 2006, 04:40:58 PM »
Can't believe this thread is 6 pages long. Touchy subject..