Do scores affect gameplay? Do captures interfere with fun?

[lazs2]

which part nb?  just the underlined part?  Are you saying that the newbies don't choose the fast late war cannon planes in order to do what I said?

Are you saying that people don't do that?

fraid I gotta call bs on you too.   sorry to hurt your feelings but... we are on to you.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[lazs2]

nb... I think that you are looking at it on a personal level since you fly late war planes a lot...  

your score shows that you don't fly much but that you do indeed go after late war planes... you seem to be into killing bombers tho and you do kill a lot of early war planes.

I would venture to say that your score is not typical of the average player in a late war ride.  

you can look at my score.... I have a whole lot of kills against late war planes....

now, everyone knows that I rarely fly over 2k above ground level and am allways slow so... if the late war planes are not getting reversed and killed... how am I doing it?  if they are not bore and zooming... how is it that they are in my area to get killed?    They get careless.   They let me reverse em or get greedy and then lose track of me..is all.   They see a low FM2 and can't resist... or they see me engaged and think they can loiter a bit....

It is easy enough to see who is right... my score shows that I am seeing what I am seeing...yours is not so clear... lets look at the scores of those who fly late war planes and see just who they are killing..

Are they killing each other or gaming the game?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[nark]

so should we waste time rtb to land kills or, as soon as I run out of ammo just eject , hit tower and immediatley up another spit?  I think returning to base in a fast, ammo less plane is boring and not what my 15$ should be spent on-Ive no ammo, there fore I cannot fight, so in order to fight I must abort this sortie asap and reup.

landing kills is indicative of caring about ones score and, heaven's sake trying to keep one's computer butt alive for the duration of, say a single sortie.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by lazs2
which part nb?  just the underlined part?  Are you saying that the newbies don't choose the fast late war cannon planes in order to do what I said?

Are you saying that people don't do that?

fraid I gotta call bs on you too.   sorry to hurt your feelings but... we are on to you.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

We? You gotta mouse in your pocket??

You make a blanket generalization about late war planes and then try to rag me about being specific??? Wadda HOOT!

Just noticed you looked at my score!  For the last 6 months or so, I've flown Yaks (and the Tempest to climb up and wack milkrunning buffs). I would bet you dollars to donuts that very few of the plane types you like to fly. Do I cherry, vulch and ho? When the situation calls for it...rarely and VERY rarely. Frankly, I ho so little these days, I die everytime I try!!

Lazs, I do believe that you are stating "what you see". The problem is you don't see the entire picture. I do, occassionally, fly low and do the furryballs thing. You say that you don't do the opposite, so, how can you make such a generalization when you, obviously, don't have the info to do so?

[LEDPIG]

What's wrong with Boom n Zooming?

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by pluck
didn't think it was closed minded, i didn't know having an opinion made the game less fun for you.  [...]

the other night i was defending a base from wave after wave of p51's and typhs.  after gaining some alt in my 190, i was able to start running these guys down.  all they did was drop there eggs, and fly straight. i get behind them shoot them......they make to attempt to do anything.  rinse repeat.  and lets not even bring up all the vulch monkeys the fly straight to a base and start vulching, while 20 enemy planes still up defending base, then runs home.  how about the guy that has 10k advantage on you and b'n'zs for 10 minutes. [...]

The closedmindedness I refer to was lumping the things you just described in with people who "fly smart" ... and we all know what that is. It's these blanket statements of "if you don't turn fight whatever you're in then you have no skill and don't rate merit" that are absurd.

[Morpheus]

Nothing better to do?

Just play the game maybe?

No?

mmkay.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by lazs2
gonzo... didn't realize you were so sensitive...  yadda yadda yadda ...

Hey, if I dislike the people I'm playing a game with on a personal level (as opposed to good ole Hate(tm)) it ain't as much fun. Pretty simple concept.

If you have a fast late war plane.... stay high and fight only other late war planes... if you go low... stay and fight low. Slow planes at alt are fair game. early planes stay low. Fight only late war planes in your late war plane and see how it goes.

Your "logic" highlights what naughty people the Germans were in WW2. For shame - attacking the technically inferior air forces of Poland and Russia.

But anyway ... if you *choose* to fly an FM2 then it was your decision to fly a slower, lesser armed plane. If someone in a P51D or even 190A5 wants to use his advantage of speed, altitude, roll rate, guns, etc. to his favor - that's what the game is. No one forced you to fly that early war plane. So then trying to mandate that in the MA only people who made the same kind of choice should be allowed to shoot you down is ... well ... silly. Go to AVA for that kind of match up.

When I take a 190A5 I know that I'm making a decision to fly a plane that's slower and worse turning than the top 5 (La7, Spit16, P51D, and whatever else). If I up a Zeke from a CV I know I'm making a decision to trade speed and armor plating for manouevering, and that I won't be able to catch most of the things attacking my carrier if they choose to run.

[mars01]

But anyway ... if you *choose* to fly an FM2 then it was your decision to fly a slower, lesser armed plane. If someone in a P51D or even 190A5 wants to use his advantage of speed, altitude, roll rate, guns, etc. to his favor - that's what the game is.

Ahh but wern't you the one saying this is WWII?  So like I said 10 posts ago, you are agreeing with Lazs.  

You want it both ways Dok and you can't have it.  Either you are a "This is all a WWII Sim" or "This is a game".  We accept the choices to fly the planes we do, but taking the best BnZ plane and attacking guys low and slow is just gaming that game.  "Not that there is anythign wrong with that." LOLH

[mars01]

The closedmindedness I refer to was lumping the things you just described in with people who "fly smart" ... and we all know what that is.
It's these blanket statements of "if you don't turn fight whatever you're in then you have no skill and don't rate merit" that are absurd.

OMG Dok you are really letting your emotions take over for logic and comprehension.  The agressive smart flying is a lot of fun to fight.  The timid flyer masking their lack of skill with smart flying is the most boring person to fight in this game, other than Morph .

Do I find BnZ boring compared to on the deck were the action is, YES, most of the time.  If you like to BnZ doing the safety dance then go ahead, enjoy yourself.  But don't try to compare the two and get mad when you realize they are not equal or compareable.  

It takes a different skill set to dance on the deck, then to dance from a perch.  And I would bet it is easier to go from the deck to the perch and survive, then it would be to go from the perch to the deck.  If for no other reason than the safety of your alt.  And I am not talking just turn fighters on the deck.  

In my opinion the highest level of Fighter Pilot in this game are the guys that can fly the BnZ planes on the deck and be successful.   And I don't mean the slashers that dive in from 8k and are only on the deck for 2 seconds,  or the guys that stay on the deck at 400 miles and hour and extend to +6k  LOL.

[lazs2]

nb... of course I am seeing what I am seeing and you.... are seeing what you are seeing... I think that it is fair to say that I am seeing a lot more low action than you are and who is participating.  that is why I say... look at the expanded scores of those who fly mostly one type or another.   mine would tend to bear out what I say is happening.

gonszo... LOL... now you are saying that you aren't gaming the game but only flying realisticaly in the broad sense of... nazis vs poland?     The 109e and fm2's of.... Poland?   face it... there is no way anyone can buy that excuse that you are immersed in the history of WWII when you bounce a spit 5 in your pee 51.

nope... people choose the fast rides with the big guns in order to have as much of an advantage as they can.  I don't keep up with who wins the fighter rank or in what but I bet it isn't in early war rides.

now... since there is no way that you could be flying for history in this game.... it only leaves the "I am not a wussy game the game guy but..." "my grandpa flew a typhie in the war" or "I have allways loved the 190 duh...dora above all people and planes" excuse...  

sure... Ok.. good.  If you love the plane so much and don't really just want an unfair advantage over a large group of players.... then stay high and fight only other "aficianados".

Cause that is the problem... if you like the game and aren't trying to hurt it then you would be doing that... to cherry pick early war planes is to make them allmost useless to most people...  you are driving em out of the game.  You have the choice of attack... they do not.

fields that are far apart and cherry pickers are ruining the game for early war guys just as surely as HO warriors and horde warriors are ruining it for you.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[DoKGonZo]

You two can play all the semantic games you want, and sling all the back-handed insults at me you want, but what is clear is that your whole message is "play our way or you're wrong." Same as it ever was.

[mars01]

"play our way or you're wrong." Same as it ever was.

Nice cop-out Dok.  In otherwords - "I don't have any arguments left to continue so I am just going to sling mud."  

Where in any of this did we tell you to play our way?  Where are the back handed insults?  Man are you really getting that emotional from all this?

[Bronk]

Dok I don't think they have ever said " play my way or you're wrong ".
What they have said is more along the lines of play my way or you're a cherry pickin , hoin, vulch , alt monkey ,run tard.

Big difference.

They have also said if you enjoy it ,so be it.


I fly late war AC and die ... die a lot . Mostly because i get over aggressive with better pilots so what I learn and move on.
I have gotten more and nice fights because of it win or loose.

I am thinking most that get offended by it fit into the more lets say "cautious" style of flying. To them i say have fun if it floats your boat.

If what these cautious fliers want is praise though ... It'll be a long time comin.
Take Shawk for example he is great at what he does.
But there is no way in hell he'll match up some one of say Levi's skill .
1v1 or in the fur. Notice i didn't say Pickin at the fur I said in it.

I once told Nomak I didn't want to be the best I just wanted to be able to give them a fight if needed.
These "cautious" pilots want to pick the best an be called great for it. IMHO



Bronk

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by mars01
Nice cop-out Dok.  In otherwords - "I don't have any arguments left to continue so I am just going to sling mud."  

Where in any of this did we tell you to play our way?  Where are the back handed insults?  Man are you really getting that emotional from all this?

I take the time to have this discussions/arguments because I actually give a damn ... and have done so for almost twenty years now. I actually try to see all sides (and there's usually about 17 of 'em). You guys only appear to see only one. So why should I bother?


Whether you see it or not, it's all the same problem; and it affects furballers and BnZ'ers the same. The game system rewards certain achievments, and players have found the paths of least resistence to these. (... back on topic ... amazing, huh?) The guy who wades into a furball in a 110G and face-shoots everything in sight is the same as the cherry-picker, or the La-7 runway vultch-tard. They're all after the same thing, just using different optimizations to reach that end. And when you get more people doing these kinds of things than not, well, you see what happens every night in the MA.