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Offline DiabloTX

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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2006, 03:15:45 AM »
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Hat, cover, whatever...  Looks like an upside-down doggie water bowl to me :)


It's also called a "Dixie Cup".  LOL!
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2006, 03:25:56 AM »
Guns...  Dunno if you agree or if it's possible, but...

/rant on/

If you see ANYONE wearing the new AF utility uniform with any kind of ironed creases or even a HINT that it's been touched with an iron and starch, can you c***-punch them for me?  Please?  The Marines and Army don't have to iron their utilities and they look damn sharp (mean too), so once again we're going to be shooting ourselves in the foot and getting teased by our joint bretheren if we take a perfectly good utility uniform and ruin it by starching/ironing.

I gotta uniform that is just for looking sharp...  It's called service dress.  If I need to look picture-perfect, need mirror shined shoes, and need creases I can shave with, I put on my blues.

The DI that ran my Dad through marine boot camp wore the USMC equivalent to our "blues" almost every day for the entire course, and my Dad never once sprayed starch on his "diving headfirst into mud" uniforms...  When they had to look sharp, they either wore clean and "neat" battle uniforms or uniforms that were specifically designed to be starched and pressed.  And they looked damned good too.

I get the feeling that our "distinctive USAF look" when it comes to our attempts to make garrison utility and combat uniforms keep a crease is universally viewed by every other service as "stupidly mis-prioritized effort" and a total joke.  One more way the USAF doesn't "get it".

I know you probably have to toe the party line and you get your party line straight from the Chiefs, but you're a lot closer to the fight than I am so maybe you can tease a few of those starch-and-press types into admitting that if they need to look pretty, maybe they should be wearing blues instead of starched utilities.  I suspect that our entire customs for wearing the new blue utilities will be set in stone by the end of 2006, and if anyone gets away with pressing the new shirt we'll have lost the common sense fight all over again.  That's all we need,  to be derided by the other services AGAIN for ruining yet another perfectly good utility uniform...

Er...

/rant off/

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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2006, 06:14:06 AM »
this  Pic was taken at FOB Falcon Baghdad 2nd time in DCU`s 2nd time in the watermelon hole we call Baghdad.[/IMG]

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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2006, 06:30:25 AM »
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this  Pic was taken at FOB Falcon Baghdad 2nd time in DCU`s 2nd time in the watermelon hole we call Baghdad.[/IMG]
 


thats better

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2006, 06:36:19 AM »
TY Sir for fixing it! Not to  get off topic can you PM me and tell how I messed this up:huh :noid

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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2006, 06:37:17 AM »
Yaaay, no creases and the pockets aren't sewn shut!  WTG! :)

Take THAT mr. pentagon desk job chief starch-and-press man!

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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2006, 06:52:17 AM »
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TY Sir for fixing it! Not to  get off topic can you PM me and tell how I messed this up:huh :noid


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hehe, just hit IMG and insert the adress to the pic ONE time and you are set. You had a double set of IMG codethingy at each end.

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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2006, 07:11:58 AM »
Eagl, why would the pockets be sewn shut?
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2006, 07:43:22 AM »
Moot,

In the USAF, there are a lot of people who think that our battle dress uniform ought to look as crisp and sharply pressed as our blues.  The uniform design however does not lend itself to that.  Specifically, the expandable cargo style pockets on the pants and shirt look terrible if you take a shirt off the rack and just press it.  The expandable "cargo" part of the pockets sticks out and looks horrible, and the thick buttons used to hold the pockets shut make it so when you press or iron the pockets, you either break the buttons or the pocket flap curls up and sticks out, again looking quite horrible.

The only solution to this problem, since those in power insist on our BDUs being starched and pressed, is to cut off the buttons and make all the pockets "fake" by sewing them shut and removing the extra material that made them useful in the first place.

You see, the USAF is trying to be more "combat ready" like the other forces are, so to help the corporate mentality we're all wearing combat uniforms instead of blues whenever possible.  But since we're just faking it and a good portion of our force actually works indoors in air conditioned buildings and will never ever actually have to do anything dirty, those chair-force soldiers insist that our BDUs must be starched and pressed.

It's pissed me off for more than 16 years now.  We finally have a new and improved utility uniform that is made of material that supposedly doesn't need ironing, and in a design that doesn't need starching or pressing, yet we all know that some chair-force pseudo-soldier somewhere is going to insist that not only does his troops wear the new utilities all the time even though they're in desk jobs, he'll also insist that they starch and press them, putting creases where they don't belong, etc.  Those chair-force types are going to ruin the uniform wear rules for those of us who actually have to work out "in the field" (ie. anywhere not in a nice air conditioned building behind a desk).  

I've been in a non-flying status for 2 years now, and the ONLY reason I've continued wearing my flight suit is because it's wing policy to wear a utility uniform instead of blues, and because if I wore BDUs like I really wanted to, I'd have to starch and press them to avoid getting hassled by the chair force starch-and-press types.

I work with a lot of army troops and marines, and they all look really sharp and business-like in their new design utility uniforms.  And they don't have creases starched into their sleeves.  But guess what - someone somewhere is going to make his troops starch a crease into the new USAF utilities, and from there it's only a short step back to sewing the pockets shut and starching the crap out of what is supposed to be a utility uniform.

They want it both ways - They want to present a sharp garrison appearance behind their desks, but they also want to foster a combat mentality in the troops.  Well, you can have it both ways if you draw the line between desk duty and field work, but instead they're furiously pounding it into the enlisted force that they're a bunch of un-patriotic slackers if they don't have creases in their utilities or starch the heck out of uniforms that are supposed to be utilities.

I say suck it up and wear blues if you're in a job that needs creases on your sleeves, and keep the utility uniform for it's intended purpose.

But I'm gonna lose.  There are too many 30 yr Chief Master Sergeants who disagree with me, because that's the way they were growed up and that's the way it will stay.  

A Chief's opinion generally carries a lot more weight than a rated Major in a 1 year staff job between flying assignments, and I'm not stupid enough to try to challenge a Chief over a stupid uniform policy, because that's HIS job, not mine.  So I'll go along being a disgruntled pilot who refuses to wear BDUs because the wear standards are, in my opinion, based on an absolutely incorrect set of priorities.  Since the Chiefs set and enforce the standards based on guidance from the General Officers, my opinion doesn't matter too much.
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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2006, 07:49:38 AM »
And I'm pretty sure Guns knows this already, but it's worth saying outright - I'm just sport-griping.  Guns is just an easy target because of his new job, and given the forum here, I'm assuming he knows that I'm just sport griping.  He doesn't get his marching orders from me, and I'm not stupid enough to try to tell him how to do his job.  And he's courteous enough to not tell me to shove my opinion up my bung.

The USAF enlisted force will do just fine under the tutelage of good instructors like Guns, in spite of the opinions of officers like me :)  All griping aside, the traditions, customs, and courtesies in the military are what keeps us from being just a bunch of guys with guns and expensive toys.  The fact that some of those traditions don't make any sense has nothing to do with the inherent value of perpetuating those traditions to maintain the unique identity of the force.

And that's the real reason why guys sew their BDU pockets shut.
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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2006, 07:55:59 AM »
Why dont you fly anymore eagl?

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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2006, 08:04:01 AM »
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Pssst, hey Chief, it's called a 'cover'.  



That's what the First Classes are for; correcting the Chief's!!!

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LOL....''I called them Dixie Cups".

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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2006, 08:12:18 AM »
I'm "between" flying assignments at the moment.  Everyone does a staff tour eventually and various circumstances led me to doing mine now.
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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2006, 08:21:30 AM »
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I'm "between" flying assignments at the moment.  Everyone does a staff tour eventually and various circumstances led me to doing mine now.


so you will fly again? F15 next time too?

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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2006, 08:22:22 AM »
I'm headed back to trainers, probably finish my flying career in trainers.
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