Author Topic: israel in war (Read 6238 times)

PonyDriver · « **Reply #90 on:** July 17, 2006, 03:54:37 AM »

Nilsen said:

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Israel are killing civilians too

I simply won't let this pass. Almost all of the civilians were killed because they allow the terrorists to use their homes as base camps and meeting places. These homes therefore are legitimate targets and the "civilians" being killed are responsible for their own fate and that of their neighbors.

Nilsen, you can filter out facts like the above so you can avoid(like most European appeasing countries are) blaming the terrorists for this action, but I will not allow you to do that here.

The terrorists declare "open war". I laugh at this... it would be a welcome change from their skulking habits of launching missiles at civilian population centers with no military target in mind.

Go Israel! The destruction of Syria and Lebanon are long overdue... git 'er done! In the batter's box... Iran. (I hope)

Angus · « **Reply #91 on:** July 17, 2006, 03:59:21 AM »

Unfortunately, many casualties are children, who are not "responsible for their own fate".
But...the terrorists use them as cover. What else was to be expected.
Anyway, what Nilsen pointed out was interesting. The ball is in the hands of the Libanese, - they could perhaps deal with this. While they don't, the Israelis will keep smacking them.

storch · « **Reply #92 on:** July 17, 2006, 04:14:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Angus
Unfortunately, many casualties are children, who are not "responsible for their own fate".
But...the terrorists use them as cover. What else was to be expected.
Anyway, what Nilsen pointed out was interesting. The ball is in the hands of the Libanese, - they could perhaps deal with this. While they don't, the Israelis will keep smacking them.

how many accounts of arab/moslem terrorists grabbing israeli children/infants during incursions into israel and smashing there heads open would you like me to research and post for you? the arabs/moslems are a barbarous people and are very happy to commit atrocities. while the loss of possibly innocent lives is lamentable israel is doing the right thing. if the choice is between mourning in my house, or mourning in my enemy's, then by all means let it be his.

-tronski- · « **Reply #93 on:** July 17, 2006, 04:53:46 AM »

I'm sure they nail nuns to barn doors too...

Tronsky

-dead- · « **Reply #94 on:** July 17, 2006, 05:12:30 AM »

Angus:
Anyone deliberately dropping a 500lb bomb in an inhabited city is ipso facto deliberately targeting civilians.

"Collateral damage" is nothing more than a nice, sanitized, insipid, feel-good PR way of covering up that fact — a prime example of what Orwell was on about when he said: "The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink."

It's declared aim will always be to destroy a "terrorist leader" or "military infrastructure" or "supply routes" or "terrorist assets", but the real aim of a 500lb bomb is to indiscriminately destroy, kill or maim everything and everyone in it's blast radius. A 500lb bomb has an 50% kill rate at a radius of 60m, and an accuracy of about 9m from target. If you put that blast radius in a city, you will kill civilians; ergo by deliberately using a 500lb bomb, you are deliberately killing civilians. And all the feel-good PR in the world won't change that.

Angus · « **Reply #95 on:** July 17, 2006, 05:19:17 AM »

"the arabs/moslems are a barbarous people and are very happy to commit atrocities."

That is a bit simple. There are many kinds of Moslems and many kinds of Arabs.
In WW2 there were many kinds of Germans and many kinds of Russians.
In the Christian world we also have many kinds of people, - including those who bomb and terrorise in the name of their religion.
There are also many kinds of Israelis.

But, I don't really blame them for what their doing. They've been attacked over and over, over the years, and every time responded with victory and a little expansion. So, what is there to be expected when the neighbour hosts attackers that target civilians? Some action, of course.

And Dead: what would you do?

moot · « **Reply #96 on:** July 17, 2006, 05:22:08 AM »

Just curious, what're the alternatives?

-dead- · « **Reply #97 on:** July 17, 2006, 06:01:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Angus
"the arabs/moslems are a barbarous people and are very happy to commit atrocities."

That is a bit simple. There are many kinds of Moslems and many kinds of Arabs.
In WW2 there were many kinds of Germans and many kinds of Russians.
In the Christian world we also have many kinds of people, - including those who bomb and terrorise in the name of their religion.
There are also many kinds of Israelis.

But, I don't really blame them for what their doing. They've been attacked over and over, over the years, and every time responded with victory and a little expansion. So, what is there to be expected when the neighbour hosts attackers that target civilians? Some action, of course.

And Dead: what would you do?

If I was Israeli? Move, and ditch the citizenship to avoid conscription/taxes/get a new passport if needed.

Angus · « **Reply #98 on:** July 17, 2006, 06:44:58 AM »

Looser

And if you weren't Israeli, but something similar was happening?

-dead- · « **Reply #99 on:** July 17, 2006, 07:00:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Angus
Looser

And if you weren't Israeli, but something similar was happening?

Exactly the same answer applies. The actual country or nationality I "belong to" is unimportant to me: I base it purely on convenience. If membership of a country becomes personally inconvenient, ditch it and go with another. Brand loyalty is strictly for mugs. See also credit cards, ISPs, telephone providers, religions, clubs, etc. etc.

Saintaw · « **Reply #100 on:** July 17, 2006, 08:05:00 AM »

^^ 100% with -dead- here.

<>> I run that way

countries, shmountries... couldn't care less.

Angus · « **Reply #101 on:** July 17, 2006, 08:53:59 AM »

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Originally posted by -dead-
Exactly the same answer applies. The actual country or nationality I "belong to" is unimportant to me: I base it purely on convenience. If membership of a country becomes personally inconvenient, ditch it and go with another. Brand loyalty is strictly for mugs. See also credit cards, ISPs, telephone providers, religions, clubs, etc. etc.

No wonder your nick is "Dead", - you're saying Brand loyalty is strictly for mugs so you submit to thugs

-dead- · « **Reply #102 on:** July 17, 2006, 10:43:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Angus
No wonder your nick is "Dead", - you're saying Brand loyalty is strictly for mugs so you submit to thugs

No, I say side-step the thugs, as irrelevant; but I'd rather submit to thugs than become one myself, which is what you advocate.

lukster · « **Reply #103 on:** July 17, 2006, 10:53:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Saintaw
^^ 100% with -dead- here.

<>> I run that way

countries, shmountries... couldn't care less.

Maybe I'm missing something but that sounds like a pretty limited perspective. Are you saying you'd be fine living in Saudi Arabia under Shira law?

-dead- · « **Reply #104 on:** July 17, 2006, 11:06:34 AM »

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Maybe I'm missing something but that sounds like a pretty limited perspective. Are you saying you'd be fine living in Saudi Arabia under Shira law?

More your sort of scene I would have thought -- desert, oil, high-levels of capital punishment, religious nuts running the show. Sounds like Texas to me.

Seriously, though: if the cash was right - why not?

Author Topic: israel in war (Read 6238 times)

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