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Offline Udie

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« on: January 07, 2002, 05:10:00 PM »
http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/025696.html


 hard posted this over at AGW.  This should give you guys time to re-evaluate the game.  Me, I haven't played in about 2 weeks.  Sometimes it get's boring waiting for targets to crest the hill.  

 My AH addiction is in full swing again  :)

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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2002, 05:34:00 PM »
You really think many people will download the 300meg + game?

They should give the game out in magazine CD's as a DEMO (for allpurposes the full game is barely up to demo standards anyway), it would be much better on some folks.

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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2002, 05:43:00 PM »
As far as I know it's only about 100 meg.  With broadband 300 meg isn't that much, and for a free d/l who's going to complain  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2002, 05:47:00 PM »
I don't quite understand this move...

I was going to applaud that they finally came to their senses and decided to give the game away and charge for the on-line play.  I was saddened at the realization that they will only be giving away a "trial" version that expires and requires you to buy the boxed game.  Does anyone even carry it anymore?

Now I'm wondering who this is supposed appeal to?  I have the CD.. it would be easier for me to patch it (well.. half the download) and play... and I would have done that if I thought it merrited my time.

I guess this is earmarked for those that haven't played at all yet?  Maybe the FPS types?  I'm pretty sure most at AH and WB are familiar enough with the goings on to have already worked it through in their minds.  So they come to other people's <companies> game forums and peddle their wears.

I dunno.. it just seems this company keeps screwing up everything.

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2002, 06:23:00 PM »
I'd like to try it online again. But it has not significantky improved for me (fps, overall performance or user interface) with all the patches. Even a free week isn't that appealling after reading thier boards (and the Officers Club) and seeing the myriad of gameplay problems that still exist.

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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2002, 02:19:00 AM »
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But it has not significantky improved for me (fps, overall performance or user interface) with all the patches. Even a free week isn't that appealling after reading thier boards (and the Officers Club) and seeing the myriad of gameplay problems that still exist.

In my setup the game has improved a lot from last spring when WWIIOL was launched.

I think you should not put too much weight on gripes on WWIIOL boards... There are people who's only hobby seems to whine about WWIIOL and I know many more serious players do not read that board at all.

WWIIOL has it's problems of course. But if you think about the complexity and scale of that sim, is it any wonder? For a perspective... HTC is currently having server and connection problems with 460 players online with game that is less advanced and detailed and has less players.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2002, 03:21:00 AM »
Well, i'm sorta still half on holiday, I'll give it another try.

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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2002, 06:46:00 AM »
Do you really think they have enough control over their product to say "well, we are gonna make it a free download, and then charge people by the month"?

Granted, I really dont know that much about these things, but the above does seem to cut out a few actors from the supply chain. My guess is that CRS have some deal with the distributers of the game. Hm, maybe Im using the wrong terms here, I mean the guys making "the boxes" as well as the guys actually putting the game on their shelves in the computer stores. Surely they wouldnt feel all too pleased if CRS made it a free download?

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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2002, 06:57:00 AM »
I'll try again, I have nothing to lose.

Jochen-

You may think the board is only populated by people that live to whine- I don't think so. I was one of the people that saw problems firsthand, yet to many on the board I was just a whiner. Granted, there are some that do go over the top, but the general handling of anyone with a complaint was denial and abuse. I wish I had a nickel for every time I heard, "If you don't like it, leave."

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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2002, 07:07:00 AM »
Jochen, you have some glaring errors in your post.

First of all, it isn't the server having problems with 460 people. Unlike WWIIOl, where they were so inept that for the first several weeks the game was being bought in stores- they still hadn't linked up the servers, nor were they running above 30% capacity. This was due to poor server setup and poor server management. Aces High is running into problems with bandwidth which is slightly more expensive than a server.

"WWIIOL has it's problems of course. But if you think about the complexity and scale of that sim, is it any wonder?"

WWIIOl itself IS the problem. I would agree with you about complexity and scale, *IF*, 30% of what's advertised on the box was in the game or working. But considering only the basics of the basics of the game (yes, I intentionally said the basics of the basics) are implemented, then complexity and scale went right out the window. Currently it's just a tank simulator, half-assed flight something (not a simulator) and a poor first person shooter. The game barely works, and when it does- you see just exactly how little of it is actually present.
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2002, 08:38:00 AM »
Jochen, I know the difference between a greifing player, a happy player as well as a disenchanted player who has valid issues with a game. It's also very apparant to me when a player has internet or PC related problems spews out on the boards that he's seen a major bug, cheat or hack. I see little greifing on WW2O boards (most greifing seems to go on in the arena), a lot of simply socially unacceptable behavior by both disgruntled players as well as "fan bois" (and remember, one must be a Playnet/WW2O customer to even post there so all posts no matter how good or bad have it IS a customer posting and CRS is severely remiss in not policing thier boards better) and a mountains of bug/gameplay problem posts.

 Bunker blocking with vehicles, aircraft with missing physics in the FM, graphics problems (tearing) walls becoming "physical" online gameplay issues, manned guns with shields that don't against small arms, spawn camping (with the bad damage model it's not as if you can prevent it by "destroying" the vehicle), players hiding in walls and under floors, laying prone and than crawling on the belly to go verticaly up a tree, bugged towns and bomb blast issues for several examples of what seems to be what one can look forward to  once they get past the program load up and getting online.

 And is AH the only game online now where it is so simple as running the program, select online, enter your id once and you're in? No browser required, no secondary app needed. What is it with this Playgate crap? Gamestorm and EA had that baloney too with thier Gilz and I forget what the older version was called. The Zone was just as bad with FA.


 And unrelated but who won the AMD PC contest there? The drawing was supposed to be on December 12th and there's no word on it at all. CRS has not responded to any questions about it on thier boards either.

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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2002, 10:41:00 AM »
Westy, it's because the other games are "portal" games or something like that.  It wasan attempt to make money by various companies, and it's pretty much failing across the board, just look at EA.com's attempt.  They've got a few games left on the portal, but their major online games are the stand alone non-portal type (Ultima Online and Motor City Online, and eventually, The Sims Online.)

Anyways, I might give the free week a chance, I can play NCAA 2002 on the PS2 while the free trial downloads.   ;)  

Chances are I won't care for it.  I just want to fly.  I hate most FPS games, and the tanks aren't all that fun to me (tho multi-crewing a tank with my friend was fun, even tho we fought over who drove and who gunned!)
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2002, 10:52:00 AM »
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Jochen, you have some glaring errors in your post.

First of all, it isn't the server having problems with 460 people. Unlike WWIIOl, where they were so inept that for the first several weeks the game was being bought in stores- they still hadn't linked up the servers, nor were they running above 30% capacity. This was due to poor server setup and poor server management. Aces High is running into problems with bandwidth which is slightly more expensive than a server.

Not quite - you also have some serious errors in your post. The hosting facility CRS used went tango uniform the week before boxes hit shelves. They had to move all their 70+ servers to a new provider the very week of launch. This, of course, would be a challenge for any company - especially one launching a game in the poor shape of WW2OL.

Of course - there WERE other major problems that were solely the Rats fault, and the server architecture was untried. But you downplay the technical issues way too much. Also, I think it's fair to say WW2OL's technical requirements on bandwidth and servers eclipse AH's, so it's a bit of an unfair comparison. WW2OL is able to get 1000+ in one server consistently in a far larger world, and pushes a lot more data than AH.

I got no problem outlining the bad decisions and poor management of WW2OL - there's plenty of fodder there to choose from. But I think you should be fair, and not overplay the negatives just cause you don't like the game or the company.

 
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"WWIIOL has it's problems of course. But if you think about the complexity and scale of that sim, is it any wonder?"

WWIIOl itself IS the problem. I would agree with you about complexity and scale, *IF*, 30% of what's advertised on the box was in the game or working. But considering only the basics of the basics of the game (yes, I intentionally said the basics of the basics) are implemented, then complexity and scale went right out the window. Currently it's just a tank simulator, half-assed flight something (not a simulator) and a poor first person shooter. The game barely works, and when it does- you see just exactly how little of it is actually present.
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Bring out the pom-poms, but you're going way overboard, SW. The game works quite well now for many people (albeit on systems well above the box specs), and there's far more than 30% of the box features in game. It's a complete game, although the gameplay is distinctly different than any MMP flight sim before it. And yes, there's still LOTS of tweaking to be done, and features to add, but plenty of folks I know can login and have fun. Including me, although I've been really diverted by IL2 and GPL lately. In short, 1.5 at least resembles the game promised on the box closely enough that review sites are giving it a second look.

Keep in mind, SIMHQ gave the runner-up award for MMPG to WW2OL, right behind AH. And they continue to draw in 1000+ players routinely. So - your viewpoiunt is not shared by many, including a reputable source like SimHQ.

I see posts like this, and "MG" comes to mind, although no one here is nearly as caustic as he. MG won't like AH - EVER. I don't care what groundbreaking features HT puts in; he'll still find problems, point to old issues, and generally hate the sim. He simply has a pathological hate for AH and HTC. I think there's a few people here who have that same pathological hate for WW2OL, and refuse to see or acknowledge ANY positives about the sim, or give it ANY credit for attempting something on such a scale.

The trial is a good idea, though late. Give it a shot with an open mind, and you may just have a bit of fun.

Alas. Someone go ahead and give me my pom-poms now, since I'm obviously nothing more than a fanboi.

Oh - PS: Congrats to HTC. Well-deserved awards, from all those places. More and more folks I know are heading this way.

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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2002, 10:53:00 AM »
Actually it sounds very desperate. I mean, if they are now going to give the game away instead of stiffing everyone with a $50 up front cost, you have to wonder why...

My bet? WWIIOL is dead by the end of February seeing how Playnet has already filed Chapter 11.

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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2002, 10:57:00 AM »
They're not giving it away. You download the free 7-day trial. If you want to continue playing, you need to go buy a boxed game to get a CD-Key.

It's simply a demo that let's you try the game out online before you have to shell out the bucks for the box. Something many here asked for.

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