Why I care about religion

[Shuckins]

Chair....you implied it here:

"Your belief stripped me of constitutional rights, barred my children from groups..."  (Were you referring to the Boy Scouts...perchance?)

and here:

"People who have religion, on the other hand, are generally encouraged to allow atheists to stay alive, but anything past that is fair game.  It's ok to make fun of stupid atheists, it's ok to try and convert them, it's ok to pigeonhole them and take away rights, and so on."



Looks like an all inclusive statement to me.  As I said...you were stereotyping.


Believe what you want, my friend, but you seriously need to step back, take a deep breath, and seriously confront the possibility that you have let yourself become obsessed with a view of religion based on antipathy.

Regards, Shuckins

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by storch
don't be so sensitive ample hamhocks are highly prized, especially in papua/new guinea.

You’re the perfect example of why people do not like Christians, your smug, prideful and insulting, you dance around it like a child and when you can't make a point and you insult the other guy.


You’re the type of Christian that told my mother that she was a sinner and her 6th back surgery was punishment from god while standing in a Church.

You’re the type of Christian who convinced me in Christian school that the idea was idiocy if people like you could fool themselves into thinking they are a good person yet be an bellybutton to everyone around them. Jesus forgives, you better hope at least.

My understanding is he wasn’t fond of prideful, arrogant, insulting, intolerant people.  Maybe I am wrong since I dropped out of that particular club, but I remember the teachings fairly well since I sat through them up to high school.

I am more like Laz, I am not sure of the truth, I lean towards there being a god, but I really hope its not a god who would take a man like you who clearly, if your bigoted attitude on this board is you in real life, do not understand what it is to be a humble god fearing Christian, maybe you should take a lesson or two from Andy, who is all of what a Christian should be.

Maybe you should try listening to your pastor.


For the rest of the Christians on the board, I do not have a problem with you, or in god we trust on money or your beliefs, if you truly try and be a good Christian then I respect that.

Though I am with chair on the issue of not allowing people to be elected if atheist, the laws are stupid and not constitutional.

Being a atheist does not make you a bad person.
Being a Christian does not make you a good one.

Being a good person makes you a good person, and people from both groups can be either good or bad.

[storch]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

   thank you for your post it was truly entertaining.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by storch
 thank you for your post it was truly entertaining.

Thank you for proving my point.  

[storch]

any time

[wrag]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Actually, you're dramatically mischaracterizing that other thread.  All I asked about in the thread was if anyone had any suggestions for alternate groups.  I never tried to enroll my kid, I knew about their policies and was trying to find an equivalent that didn't discriminate.  

Are you deliberately lying/distorting things?  Or was it just an error on your part?

Pot and kettle thing here?  

The only possible error I see here is Shuckins thought you MAY have actually tried to enroll your offspring KNOWING about the stance of the BoyScouts?

Most everything else is questions to you or statements about how things are in Shuckins view?

I also noticed you didn't repost his entire statement but only part?

[storch]

Gto, what makes you think I go to church in the first place?  you went off with a series of preconceived notions regarding my internet persona?  what makes you think I consider myself "a good person"?  I would challenge anyone to show me a single "good person" in all of creation.  if we use the biblical paradign, there are none, least of all myself.

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by wrag
The only possible error I see here is Shuckins thought you MAY have actually tried to enroll your offspring KNOWING about the stance of the BoyScouts?

Wrag, go read his post:

You must have known about this before you tried to enroll your son. Or at least I assume you knew about it.

In that other post, I never said that I tried to enroll the kid or demanded to be allowed in or said that I felt the scouts needed to change.  I simply asked for alternatives because I knew the scouts had membership requirements my kids couldn't meet.  Find the part of that thread where I outraged that it must be changed.  I dare you.

You, on the other hand, read what you wanted to read in my post.  If it was a mistake, then fess up.  If you did it on purpose, it's despicable.

[wrag]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
You’re the perfect example of why people do not like Christians, your smug, prideful and insulting, you dance around it like a child and when you can't make a point and you insult the other guy.


You’re the type of Christian that told my mother that she was a sinner and her 6th back surgery was punishment from god while standing in a Church.

You’re the type of Christian who convinced me in Christian school that the idea was idiocy if people like you could fool themselves into thinking they are a good person yet be an bellybutton to everyone around them. Jesus forgives, you better hope at least.

My understanding is he wasn’t fond of prideful, arrogant, insulting, intolerant people.  Maybe I am wrong since I dropped out of that particular club, but I remember the teachings fairly well since I sat through them up to high school.

I am more like Laz, I am not sure of the truth, I lean towards there being a god, but I really hope its not a god who would take a man like you who clearly, if your bigoted attitude on this board is you in real life, do not understand what it is to be a humble god fearing Christian, maybe you should take a lesson or two from Andy, who is all of what a Christian should be.

Maybe you should try listening to your pastor.


For the rest of the Christians on the board, I do not have a problem with you, or in god we trust on money or your beliefs, if you truly try and be a good Christian then I respect that.

Though I am with chair on the issue of not allowing people to be elected if atheist, the laws are stupid and not constitutional.

Being a atheist does not make you a bad person.
Being a Christian does not make you a good one.

Being a good person makes you a good person, and people from both groups can be either good or bad.

 Assuming allot in your post about ........   Storch is.................   Storch.  Wait, has Storch ever proclaimed a belief on these boards?

I agree about meeting such people as you speak of.  Always ready to tell others what is..................

I just box em in with the ones that don't seem to have enough to do minding their own business so they just GOTTA mind yours as well!  Some of em, sadly, are holding public office politicians TOO.

This is my understanding as well..............

"My understanding is he wasn’t fond of prideful, arrogant, insulting, intolerant people."

Church...........  many SEEM to think that it is some magical place?  Where everyone is supposed to be GOOD?  Supposed to be NICE all the time?

NAW............. it's just another place where people gather.  The people who gather at these places are JUST THAT,  they're people.  Nuthin special about em.  Well............ they are meeting with the intention of BEING Christians.  Some just don't do it very well?  Don't seem to be able to get the knack?  And I hope you are aware that in every church there are a few that are not there to be, and NEVER had any intention of becoming, Christians.

Considerin that, then it should be expected that we will meet such a person as the mentioned "I have judged you and found you wanting..." person above.  Thinkin they got a direct pipeline to GOD?  Seems to me this type of thing is a mote, beam kinda thing?

[wrag]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Wrag, go read his post:
In that other post, I never said that I tried to enroll the kid or demanded to be allowed in or said that I felt the scouts needed to change.  I simply asked for alternatives because I knew the scouts had membership requirements my kids couldn't meet.  Find the part of that thread where I outraged that it must be changed.  I dare you.

You, on the other hand, read what you wanted to read in my post.  If it was a mistake, then fess up.  If you did it on purpose, it's despicable.

I read his post.  

And I commented.  

Perhaps we don't see the same things in his post?

I see him mostly asking questions? I did see his statement that he thought you had issues.

You do not?  

That is all I commented on.  

It seemed like he said thought you tried to enroll your offspring, but he later asked if that is in fact what occured.

Over reaction here?

Perhaps we should compare what we see line for line?  Word meaning for word meaning?

After I had read his post it seemed to me no accusation were actually made BUT questions were asked...............

All and all his post seemed pretty much inoffensive IMHO.  No name calling that I could see.  No attacks, unless you feel his thought (fear?) that you may have issues is an attack?  He didn't talk about your mother?  Said nuthin about how you dress?  Not one comment about your shoes?

Further!!!!!!!!!!!!!  If you reread my post I make no accusations either.  I do state what I see within the post, I do ask questions.

*****So...... I am now despicable for asking questions?*****

[Chairboy]

Wrag, based on our past interactions and your posts here today, I'm not confident that you can be civil.  I'm not interested in watching you 'game' the discussion.  It is my impression that that's what you're doing.

[Black Sheep]

I have met tons of 'athiests' in my travels - hardly any of them exhibited a behavior or trait that said they were truly personable people, or concerned with the well being of others to the point where self profit or preservation was not an issue.

But why should they? No reason to get along. Apparently all they have is 70 odd years on this planet and nothing else. (A planet that miraculously sits in the same orbit year after year to sustain life...) If that is all we're meant for - then I'd be pretty bummed out too. There are way too many obvious clues out there that defy atheism with ease.

I'm sure glad that athiesm is fast becoming an extinct creature. My $0.02

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Black Sheep
I'm sure glad that athiesm is fast becoming an extinct creature. My $0.02

Not quite.  MSNBC reported that:

Between 1993 and 2002, the share of Americans who said they were Protestant dropped from 63 percent to 52 percent, after years of remaining generally stable, according to a study released Tuesday by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago. At the same time, the number of people who said they had no religion rose from 9 percent to nearly 14 percent,

[Viking]

Originally posted by Black Sheep
(A planet that miraculously sits in the same orbit year after year to sustain life...)

Nothing miraculous about it. Then again, to people living in simpler parts of this planet lightning seems miraculous, and an obvious clue to the existence of an invisible man in the sky (probably an angry one at that). Some pray to the sun, something I find far more sensible than prying to an invisible man. At least you can see the sun, and it does indeed sustain life on this planet. However I don't find the sun to be any more miraculous than I find the Earth holding a stable orbit for years miraculous.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Wrag, based on our past interactions and your posts here today, I'm not confident that you can be civil.  I'm not interested in watching you 'game' the discussion.  It is my impression that that's what you're doing.

Hmmm ............  odd.......................... ......


And that was exactly my impression of what you were doing!

As I said, IMHO your response was an overreaction, and possibly unwarrented, toward the post we are talking about.  IMHO He did not attack you!  IMHO He did ask you some questions.

You seem to disagree.  

Care to explain why?  

I have made an effort to explain my viewpoint.  

I am trying to be civil.  (edited part)  I have repeatdly expressed my adverse reaction to the METHODS you have used to communicate on this BBS.  This, I suppose, is why you consider me uncivil? (end edited part)

The part about the way you dress and saying nothing about your mother etc. was off the wall humor that seems to have sailed right past you.  The intent was to express in a semi-humours manner how I see what looks to me like an unnecassary reaction.