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« Reply #120 on: October 09, 2006, 09:22:00 PM »
Diplomacy = tactic

WF Buckley Jr.  for UN secretary:D

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« Reply #121 on: October 09, 2006, 09:23:29 PM »
Interesting comments from the French Atomic Energy Commission:


His agency estimated the North Korean blast at around 1 kiloton or less _ equivalent to the explosive force of 1,000 tons of TNT. For a nuclear device, that would be so weak that the French defense minister suggested that "there could have been a failure" with the North Korean reported test.

Clement said it could take days before scientists can declare with certainty whether the explosion was nuclear. And when blasts are very weak, "we could be in a situation where we cannot tell the difference between the two," he said.


Interesting.  1kton?  Tiny by comparison to the US Trinity test (19kton).
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« Reply #122 on: October 09, 2006, 09:33:17 PM »
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NK having a nuke isn't an immediate threat to the continental US but it most definitely is to our allies living next door to them. Having a nuke may embolden the north to invade the south. That will certainly mean war for the US on a large scale.


I would disagree...The top three exports from NK include counterfeit US currency, drugs, and military equipment, in specific, missile technology...

I am not worried about kim jung-il attacking the US, or Japan, taiwan or South Korea with Nukes...I dont think he is that suicidle (sp)...I am worried about him selling a nuclear weapon to Iran, Al Qaeda, or even some modern day neo nazi group, which would use it against the US
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« Reply #123 on: October 09, 2006, 09:45:13 PM »
He probably will want to keep all he can make for a while, especially if he's having trouble getting more than a 1k ton yield.

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« Reply #124 on: October 09, 2006, 10:03:24 PM »
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He probably will want to keep all he can make for a while, especially if he's having trouble getting more than a 1k ton yield.


I dont think we can take the risk of what he probably will do, and what he probably wont do...

People need to understand that there is a big difference between the UK and NK having nuclear weapons...It's bad enough Pakistan has them...(yea yea they are an ally in the WOT sorta, but what happens if they get out of mushareefs control)...anyways, its bad enough a twisted state like pakistan has them...i dont feel comfortable adding NK to the list....

correct me if I am wrong, the known powers with nuclear weapons are...

US and A (lmao i love borat)
Russia
UK
France
China
India
Pakistan
and now NK

It's almost certain that Israel has nuclear weapon's, and im willing to bet that half a dozen other nations like Japan and Australia have a complete set up, and only need to introduce some uranium to get their program set up in months.....
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« Reply #126 on: October 09, 2006, 11:36:08 PM »
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US and A (lmao i love borat)
Russia
UK
France
China
India
Pakistan
and now NK

 


Correction:
+Israel
+Republic of South Africa

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« Reply #127 on: October 10, 2006, 12:04:11 AM »
Why can't China just be in an expansionist kinda mood?  It'd probably be the only time throughout history the entire world (well, save NK) would applaud one country's hostile takeover of another.
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« Reply #128 on: October 10, 2006, 12:22:33 AM »
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Why can't China just be in an expansionist kinda mood?  It'd probably be the only time throughout history the entire world (well, save NK) would applaud one country's hostile takeover of another.


Why China has to do that? Only one country who would applaud were the USA.
Personally, I applaud NK. I would prefer every country on the world has A bomb with the missiles which can hit any point on this planet. The world would be much better if it came to true.
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« Reply #129 on: October 10, 2006, 12:30:12 AM »
Yeah, Libya, Iran and Lebanon with Peacemakers and SS-18 Satans. There's a song to sleep by. It would be about 13 seconds before a group of 'freedom fighters' expedited meetings with Allah for half the world's population.

That theory belongs on the same shelf with popular hits like: 'Why Communism works' and 'Islam: Religion of Peace'.
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« Reply #130 on: October 10, 2006, 12:31:27 AM »
If I were looking for a nuclear weapon, Id call Kim Jung.

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« Reply #131 on: October 10, 2006, 12:53:46 AM »
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Yeah, Libya, Iran and Lebanon with Peacemakers and SS-18 Satans. There's a song to sleep by. It would be about 13 seconds before a group of 'freedom fighters' expedited meetings with Allah for half the world's population.

I'm pretty cure that theory belongs on the same shelf with 'Why Communism works' and 'Islam: Religion of Peace'.


No, it is not about communism or islam.
Lazs, who are American, published here a lot of about weapons which every "free" man has right to carry to protect himself from goverment, other bad guys, etc.
Why other nations don't have right to protect themself from "democratization"? You don't think that they are "free' enough? Or you just don't think that they are enough human? Or grown-ups enough to make their own decisions?
Practice shows that US goverment doesn't consider US citizens grown-ups enough to decide how to  spend their own money. They are children in the eyes of the elected senators, they even can't play poker in the Internet what any other nations on the world can do. And you think that you are grown-ups enough to decide who can have nuclear weapons, and who can't? :)
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« Reply #132 on: October 10, 2006, 01:11:53 AM »
No Vad, I just don't want a world where people who toss everything they have, bomb-laden teenagers included, at civilian targets whenever the whim strikes, finally acquire the ultimate weapon of mass destruction.

You think that the responsibility of owning a nuclear weapon will cause nations with fanatical psuedo-government branches like Hezbollah to suddenly up and civilize themselves? They won't. They'll be empowered. They'll find Allah in the fission-fusion process, the strongest evidence of him yet, and they'll wave that weapon around, knowing that even in a nuclear world, it still comes down to will-power. Will power....While most lack it, the idiots with nothing to lose don't. Instead of airliners on 9/11, we'll have airliners with tactical warheads onboard, instead of katuyshas fired on Israel, we'll have medium-range missiles with 50 kiloton warheads.  The organization that we stupid, ignorant, childlike Americans use to protect our arsenal, will not be used elsewhere, and even if these theoretical nukes aren't placed into the wrong hands initially, they will wind up there soon enough. No I don't think they are grown up enough to make decisions that can end my life and the lives of everyone I know. No way. Never.

I don't want to live in that world. It will not be the great equalizer. It will one big ****-storm and then the rise of the insects upon our powdered remains.

I spoke of Islam and Communism only as a parallel to the absurdity that you presented.

As for us being children. I have a legally-registered shotgun in the closet, a license to drive, a savings account, a checking account a brokerage account, and a passport--and I'm still just a student. I've never used any of those items to commit a crime. If I did, I'd justify my loss of one or all of those items. If I want to play poker, I can fly to Vegas--ever been there? You do with your money what you please until there's nothing left. Perfectly legal. You can drive there at 80 mph in the desert, and fire a machine gun once you get there. Perfectly legal. You can start a business, go bankrupt, become a doctor or a lawyer, or come here as an immigrant and make $12.8 billion starting the world's most popular search engine. You can dabble in porn, drive a stock car, work at a restaurant, and play the lottery. You can pull teeth for a living, rope horses, or build homes. Hell, you can even marry a foreigner and then get a divorce because you don't get along. You can divorce her, get remarried to her, and move to a different state without too much trouble. You can believe in Jesus or Mahummed or the tooth fairy, or nothing at all, and it won't cost you your life. You canmarry outside of your sect and it will be illegal for your brother to slit your throat. You can sue a cop, a doctor, another lawyer, or the US government, and you can win. You can vote against the incumbant, you can create a scene at a peaceful presentation at a top university, you can even make a movie about gay cowboys. You can invest in the future, invest in penny stocks, or invest in alcohol, and you'll only be responsible for giving Uncle Sam his share of the profits--if there are any. You can come here with nothing, not even knowledge of the language, and become rich, famous, powerful, loved, hated, or, if you're really good, You can go from 'Terminator' to 'Governator' inside of two decades. You could do all this stuff, or you can become just another shlub who's up way too late talking on the computer to another shlub who's probably up way too early.
 
Not bad for a bunch of children.
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« Reply #133 on: October 10, 2006, 01:18:37 AM »
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Only one country who would applaud were the USA.



Bzzzzt.

The Chinese would applaud, if they did it successfully.

The South Koreans would applaud - better chance to help their cousins stop starving, without 20m refugees pouring into Seoul.

The Japanese would applaud - although the Chinese can fly missiles over Japanese territory if they choose to, they don't, in stark contrast to NK.

The Russkies would applaud, as long as they were given access to some of the development contracts which would inevitably follow. Pipeline or two, powerplants, that kind of thing.

Given a couple of months to uncover the full extent of Kim's atrocities against his own people, the rest of the civilised world would applaud.

In short, a Chinese takeover, leaving the apparatus of the DPRK intact but without Kim in charge would be streets better than what we have now.
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« Reply #134 on: October 10, 2006, 01:36:07 AM »
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As for us being children. I have a legally-registered shotgun in the closet, a license to drive, and a passport. I've never used any of those items to commit a crime. If I did, I'd justify my loss of one or all of those items.


If you have passport (American, I mean) you did. You country invaded another country without any reasons. All that bull**** about weapon of mass destructions happened to be bull****. And as you should know from history (WW2) everybody who particuipated or supported unlawful actions had to pay. Ask Germans, they know.

I see nothing wrong if any country in the world would do its best to protect itself from Iraq's fate.  

And about rest of you posting.... I don't think that they are "fanatical psuedo-government". I really do think that American goverment (present, I have nothing against Reagan or old Bush) much more fanatical than any muslims in the world. And, btw, much more stupid. Sorry.