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Offline Shamus

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« Reply #105 on: October 19, 2006, 07:35:05 PM »
John Yoo has been envolved in pushing executive power for five years at least.

I dare say that if a dem takes control of 1600 in the next election Mr. Yoo will not be taking that position.

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« Reply #106 on: October 19, 2006, 08:00:12 PM »
Again, WHERE does it say this applies to US citizens? The while squealing thing is about the nutbergers in Gitmo
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« Reply #107 on: October 19, 2006, 09:39:17 PM »
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Again, WHERE does it say this applies to US citizens? The while squealing thing is about the nutbergers in Gitmo


Where in the Bill of Rights does it say US citizen?, I think if you look it says persons, these rights that you are so willing to discount for those who are not you apply to all in this country.

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« Reply #108 on: October 19, 2006, 10:16:56 PM »
Olbermanns hubris aimed at shrub is misdirected, blame rests with the hijacking of our country and the erosion of our rights by the two prominent crime families in Wash; republicans & democrats.

Whats Bush has just done is nothing new, the drunks have given themselves more power in the past, and abused it every single time. You're all kidding yourselves if you think this time will be different, the very last thing anyone should endorse is giving the crime families 1 ounce of additional power to abuse...

How many times to the repubs & dems have to abuse their power before it becomes obvious neither can be trusted?
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« Reply #109 on: October 19, 2006, 10:20:58 PM »
Shamus, as I'm sure you know the Bill of Rights is the first 10 amendments to the US Constitution. Here's the preamble:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Note the "to ourselves and our posterity". I think it's pretty clear our Constitution is for us.
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« Reply #110 on: October 19, 2006, 10:26:12 PM »
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Where in the Bill of Rights does it say US citizen?, I think if you look it says persons, these rights that you are so willing to discount for those who are not you apply to all in this country.

shamus


How about this---if your name has no VOWELS, no rights for you!
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« Reply #111 on: October 19, 2006, 10:47:49 PM »
Whether or not the Dems are trying to score political points with Americans is largely irrelevant to the issue.  Both parties play the lowest common denominator often.  A lot of the Dems that are crying foul probably haven't even read the full text of the bill, as some of the Repub proponents haven't either.

I'd suggest that the biggest issue here is that neither U.S. Law nor the Geneva Conventions were ever written to anticipate terrorism on this level.  That the terrorists commit acts that found the gap between the two is ironic.  

My solace is tied almost entirely to the fact that John McCain supported the compromise version of the bill.  From a 7-year POW that was tortured and denied his rights under the Geneva Conventions, if he's comfortable with the language, then I am too...
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« Reply #112 on: October 20, 2006, 12:32:56 AM »
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Olbermann sums it up nicely.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15321167/


An exceptional speech. Mr. Olbermann. A true patriot and dare I say American.
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« Reply #113 on: October 20, 2006, 01:06:45 AM »
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How about this---if your name has no VOWELS, no rights for you!


how about the "sometimes "Y"" guys, do they get over?
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« Reply #114 on: October 20, 2006, 01:12:01 AM »
I dont care for olbermann at all.  But I will watch this vid and give my thoughts...brb.

Ok, stopped about 10 seconds into this nutbags diatribe.  Sorry but olbermann makes Limbaugh look even handed and O'reily downright smart.

Next left wing nutbag please.......(another rolly eyes for the real fear mongers, the liberal socialists)




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« Reply #115 on: October 20, 2006, 02:16:24 AM »
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I dont care for olbermann at all.  But I will watch this vid and give my thoughts...brb.

Ok, stopped about 10 seconds into this nutbags diatribe.  Sorry but olbermann makes Limbaugh look even handed and O'reily downright smart.

Next left wing nutbag please.......(another rolly eyes for the real fear mongers, the liberal socialists)




:rolleyes:


So you barely made it past the commercial, wtg Mr. Open Mind. :rofl
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« Reply #116 on: October 20, 2006, 10:54:37 AM »
I'm genuinely dumbfounded! I'm SO glad I'm not living in the US these days. [/B][/QUOTE]


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« Reply #117 on: October 20, 2006, 11:24:30 AM »
Olbermann is a traitor and a demagogue of the worst kind!

I bet he is a Muslim, sowing discontent and fear amongst the faithful Republicans of the US of A!

I have no doubt that he will get what is coming to him... hopefully with a little searching around in his past it will come to light that he is really an enemy combatant.
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« Reply #118 on: October 20, 2006, 11:30:42 AM »
Cardinal Richelieu summed it up best: "If you give me six lines written by the most honest man, I will find something in them to hang him."
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« Reply #119 on: October 20, 2006, 11:48:55 AM »
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Olbermann is a traitor and a demagogue of the worst kind!

I bet he is a Muslim, sowing discontent and fear amongst the faithful Republicans of the US of A!

I have no doubt that he will get what is coming to him... hopefully with a little searching around in his past it will come to light that he is really an enemy combatant.


Your ridiculous tirades reflect on no one but yourself. You might wanna give it a rest?
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