Author Topic: Detention centers (Read 1967 times)

Thrawn · « **Reply #75 on:** November 02, 2006, 05:55:35 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
my dear thrawn,

these bureaucrats and politicians that you malign are also fellow citizens.

As are criminals, but it doesn't make thier activities any less reprehensible.

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they are performing dull and thankless jobs with little recognition for their efforts. they are often underpaid and always unappreciated yet with quiet dedication they gut it up and go to their stations every day to ensure that our gubmint operates smoothly and provides our requisite services.

Smoothly? We are talking about the civil service right? No one is making them work thier crap jobs. They are totally free to quit, I am not free to quit paying taxes.

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they are there for our benefit,

Once again, I don't need or want a nanny government to tell me what would or wouldn't benefit me and mine. If I think a service would benefit my family I then I'm sure an entrepeneur will fill that niche. Not only but history has shown that they will provide a cheap and superior product than the government will. It's called a free market.

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I gladly pay my portion of the tax burden on time each and every quarter and furthermore I donate to various charitable institutions. it gives me great satisfaction to do so and I feel priviledged to be American and to able to participate as a fully vested citizen in our great free enterprise system.

Bruno robbed John, and gave me $100 bucks for other services rendered. I gladdly gave Bruno $30 kickback. Aren't I wonderful. Shouldn't John think so as well?

Of course it gets even worse.

Bruno robbed John, and gave me $100 bucks for other services rendered. John and I are in the same industry. Bruno is paying me with John's money and so is putting John out of business with his own money.

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keep this in mind "to he whom much is given, much is expected" gut it up, step up to the plate and be a cheerful and willing participant in the system that made us great.

"Lay down and enjoy it, it's going to happen anyway."

Such is the call of tyrants for time inmemorial. I wonder what the US's founding fathers would think of that attitude?

storch · « **Reply #76 on:** November 02, 2006, 06:58:40 PM »

oh so now you are calling hard working citizens who's employer happens to be the gubmint criminals? that's a bit of a stretch don't you think? I'll remind you that convicted felons are not allowed to vote and are therefore not citizens per se and don't count as citizens.

akak you own no land, in the everglades or anywhere else for that matter. the only dirt you own is that which is forever stored between your ears. I caution you not to sell any of that lest your head cave in.

the finest medical care available on the planet is here. the finest institutes of higher learning are here. the very best in health care is in the USA as are the very best education money can buy. our educational and healthcare systems are second to none. you just need to able to pay for them. since the phonecians invented the concept of money 5000 years back it has proven to be a very good medium of exchange. take your dollars and buy stuff you need with them you'd be amamzed at how well it works, especially in education and health care.

a bonus question. which country has the highest literacy rate in the western hemisphere?

Thrawn · « **Reply #77 on:** November 02, 2006, 09:15:02 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
oh so now you are calling hard working citizens who's employer happens to be the gubmint criminals? that's a bit of a stretch don't you think?

I'm not even calling the government criminals. After all they are the ones that write the laws that makes thier stealing legal and get to define what a crime is.

I am however saying that thier actions are immoral (and not just immoral, every time a government interfers with the free market the economy is hurt). Whether or not they are hard working, give to charity, and cure sick bunnies is irrelevent. It doesn't change the fact that the government gets it's income from the public at the point of a gun. Nor that those that are employed by or recieve contracts from the government are getting thier ill gotten gains from people who are forced to pay them...whether they wish to or not.

storch · « **Reply #78 on:** November 02, 2006, 09:55:23 PM »

my dear thrawn,

the last thing any of us want to see or participate in, or a better definition is to be the victim of unfettered capitalism.

read up on the sherman anti trust act and read further about the underlying reason why that piece of legislation was necessary.

wrag · « **Reply #79 on:** November 02, 2006, 10:23:29 PM »

30%?????

How you figure 30%????

You figure all the taxes put on everything from start to finish? From growing/creating it to it's purchase/use?

Might wanna make that closer to 60% in TOTAL taxes paid out by the American consumer.

Thats nearly 60% of your income going to some form of taxation. Thats not going to the actual purchase mind you! Thats added on by the gubmint!

As to the schools being so good ? The USA isn't setting so pretty there! Several other countries are doing MUCH better. And the controls within the school systems are going away from the tax payer/parents and going to the gubmint types. They say it's FOR THE GREATER GOOD! isn't that special

Health care? Sure we are doing well there but a major reason is gubmint ain't got so much control there as in other countries. Course Slik Willy n his crew wanted to change that............

Gunthr · « **Reply #80 on:** November 03, 2006, 07:44:56 AM »

Chairboy, I think that the detention centers are being built to house Democratic voters. The Federal government just rounded up thousands of them, in a nationwide sweep, and perhaps not so coincidentally, just before the Tuesday elections.

10,733 arrested

lazs2 · « **Reply #81 on:** November 03, 2006, 08:24:11 AM »

storch...if you don't pay your taxes they will take everything you own and put you in prison.. if you resist they will kill you. that is all there is to it.

The more we pay in taxes the stronger the government becomes and the less freedom we have as individuals. That is all there is to it.

All tax should be an enterprise fund with civilian oversight. In other words... if you want an army it is the armed forces tax... that money only goes to the military. If you want roads you have a road tax and that money goes only to roads... There would be no "general fund" for the politicians to dip their beaks into. You shouldn't use road taxes to fund stem cell research for instance.

I would further say that all tax should be a consumer tax.. sales tax.. with no income tax.

As for the detention centers... if they ever round up citizens they won't bother to build "centers" first and warn everyone... they will just sting a bunch of barbed wire out in the desert.

lazs

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #82 on:** November 03, 2006, 09:59:05 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

All tax should be an enterprise fund with civilian oversight. In other words... if you want an army it is the armed forces tax... that money only goes to the military. If you want roads you have a road tax and that money goes only to roads... There would be no "general fund" for the politicians to dip their beaks into. You shouldn't use road taxes to fund stem cell research for instance.

lazs

Wow. I agree with lazs??? How come you like the repubicans?? Tax is a necessity and a direct result of and (should be) proportional to spending?? And the repubs are now spending at an all time high. THis can only be recovered by tax revenues??

lukster · « **Reply #83 on:** November 03, 2006, 11:42:19 AM »

Lemme add one Lazs, drop social security for a retirement fund. All money paid in to be used for retirement only and not for subsidizing welfare.

lazs2 · « **Reply #84 on:** November 03, 2006, 02:24:02 PM »

whitehawk... there is spending and then there is spending...

The republicans typicaly spend on wars.... wars get paid for. I got no problem with the billions spent on wars besides if we need to be there or not.... allways debateable but in the end.... well... we aren't still paying for even vietnam.

Now.. there is the other spending... the bribe you for your vote kind.. democrat socialist welfare state spending... this is the kind of spending that not only doesn't get paid off but.... it grows... it grows every year no matter who is in power... once you addict people to an "entitlement" (love that word) the money needed to support it grows every year...

Imagine if there were no socical security to pay off or welfare.

Sooo... while I have no love for Republicans... I have no choice but to vote for them.... the new democrats make FDR and LBJ seem like heartless cheapskates who didn't care if people died in the streets.

If you elect democrats they come up with new entitilement socialist programs that grow every year... there is no end to the expense.... if it costa a billion a year when it is introduced it will be several trillion a year before the decade ends.

Never vote for a democrat..

Never vote for a new tax.

Never vote to ban anything.

These seem like simple rules but peoples greed and sloth sometimes make em violate these simple rules.

lazs

storch · « **Reply #85 on:** November 03, 2006, 04:32:43 PM »

the point is they don't make me pay my taxes, I do so voluntarily. it is my obligation as a citizen and participant in our great free enterprise system. this is what I believe eg. this is what I do.

Chairboy · « **Reply #86 on:** November 03, 2006, 04:53:44 PM »

Storch: Perhaps the basic disagreement here is that Lazs and I appear to agree that waste and "spend it if you got it" use of public funds is inappropriate, and you seem to argue that the waste and kingdom building that makes the government stronger and the citizens weaker is not only unavoidable, but actually a good thing.

storch · « **Reply #87 on:** November 03, 2006, 05:29:59 PM »

how is it any of us are weaker? I'm certainly not any weaker today than I was on November 3, 2000. in fact, quite the opposite I'm far stronger, in no small part because of the added revenue we have been able to collect from contracts being awarded by the homeland security department via the different port authorities and by private service providers that supply the airlines and cruise industries. I suspect that this windfall has been spread out evenly where ever there is an airport or maritime facilities nationwide and not just south florida. consider that these significant economic pluses are ocurring while we are the beneficiaries of good tax cuts on all levels and have a very strong economy. private home ownership is at a record high and people are making good money.

say it ain't so.

Chairboy · « **Reply #88 on:** November 03, 2006, 05:48:44 PM »

Well, that's MY money you're so enthusiastic about having received. If you personally gain from the federal contracts that make government bigger, then I suppose your impartiality would be somewhat in question.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #89 on:** November 03, 2006, 06:01:53 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
the point is they don't make me pay my taxes, I do so voluntarily. it is my obligation as a citizen and participant in our great free enterprise system. this is what I believe eg. this is what I do.

No, any sense of "voluntarily paying your taxes" is a myth. Try not paying your taxes and see what can happen. When there is gun pointed at your head, it's really not voluntary.

ack-ack