Democrats win big on House. Senate... a toss-up

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
It seems to make perfect sense to you:lol

Congratulations on your complete lack of the ability to read and comprehend.

[lazs2]

six.. you aren't hearing what I am saying...  a war is expensive and a bad thing so far as debt but.... A healthy economy can absorb it and take care of it...  

The oppossite is true of democrat spending... it is all entitlements that do not help the country in any way... it is such welfare that is a total waste and.... no matter who is in power after that.... it grows and grows and grows with no way to stop it...

The republicans are spending too much but very little of it will be to programs that, like social security ponzie scheme and welfare.... will grow to take allmost every dollar brought in.

So who came up with these ruinous welfare plans?   the democrats... who suggests more every year and more taxes to pay for em?  democrats.

Take a look at the spending pie and see how much is going out in entitlements and welfare....  it is allmost every dollar brought in.

The republicans do create agencies that suck money up forever but nothing like welfare or the EPA or social security or medicare..

The democrats suggest paying for childcare in daycare say....  sounds good... everyone wants a free daycare ride paid for with a few pennies from them and another percent or two on the evil rich right?   And... it only costs a billion a year... heck... way better than a war.

Ten years latter the war is paid off but that one billion a year program for daycare is not 50 billion a year with no end in sight and anyone who tries to cut it is commiting political suicide... how dare they be so cruel to helpless children!!!  

When the democrats put in a new welfare program it screws every one of us forever... when they pass a new tax... no matter on what segment of society.... it drags the whole economy down.

soicialism...  is an endless downward spiral.   The democrats are embracing that because it is the lazy way to garner votes... give people something for nothing and they will vote for yu.... never looking past that first payoff.

lazs

[JB88]

http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm


hey big spenda...

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by storch
no way you actually believe that.  they held majority in both houses but never did they rule both houses.  the democrats prevented the president from appointing judges to federal bench for his entire first term. or did you forget that?

So, legislation is brought before federal judges? What the hell does an appointment have to do with balancing a budget?

[john9001]

presidents do not appropriate the money, the house appropriates the money, nice touch with "oil war 1" and "oil war 2" and "neo-con".

[storch]

Originally posted by Sixpence
So, legislation is brought before federal judges? What the hell does an appointment have to do with balancing a budget?

you may want to take a 7th grade civics course before going any further sir.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by storch
you may want to take a 7th grade civics course before going any further sir.

So, a federal judge passes highway bills?

[lasersailor184]

And you sure as hell can't borrow your way into it either.

And you sure as hell have never stepped foot in an economics class room.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
And you sure as hell have never stepped foot in an economics class room.

So, tell me, how is that debt good for us? It's all part of the master plan huh?

[Sixpence]

The 2005 highway bill had a staggering 6,376 earmarks. In contrast, Ronald Reagan vetoed a 1987 highway bill because it had 121! And his quote at the time was ''I haven't seen this much lard since I handed out blue ribbons at the Iowa State Fair".

In 2000 GW said if Gore got elected ''the era of big government being over is over."

Six years later the only thing that is over is the GOP reputation for fiscal sobriety.

And this happened because "the democrats prevented the president from appointing judges to federal bench for his entire first term"?

Holy crap, no wonder I flunked 7th grade civics

[Mace2004]

Actually Sixpence you have a very valid point about the lard and it, more than the war, is probably why the Republicans are out on their butts.  But to address the point about the deficit, and what I think they're trying to get at is that debt is not necessarily a bad thing.  Without debt you wouldn't be able to buy a house for instance.  The point is what you use the debt for.  If you invest it in infrastructure or, in the case of the war, to ensure peace and stability then it's a good thing.  

Just such a case in point is the depression, followed by WWII (and enormous debt), followed by an era of economic expansion never seen before as the manufacturing infrastructure built with the debt and the peace that followed the successful conclusion of the war fed an enormous economic boom.  

That is as opposed to just borrowing money and handing it out, or worse, creating entitlement programs which 1) are enormously inefficient, 2) are self-sustaining, and 3) provide no positive input to the economy at all.

[Hawco]

You know, I've had a sobering realization here, There's no real difference between the Dems and the GOP, all that happens is that big business money passes from one party to the other, If the Dems lose then the cash goes back the other way.
None of them have our interests at heart, The penny has finally dropped for me here, Look at where I live in California, both of them have it sown up so that nobody gets a look in from any other party and I bet you that's the same right across the country.
We can all go back and forth and forth and back on the GOP V Dems debate, but they are both the same in my book, I mean c'mon, do you think the dems will stick up for the avearge working man? nope, Just like the GOP didn't either.
The same tired old lines are now coming out of the Dems as what came out of the GOP beforehand, All they are going to do is look after their corporate donors, just like the GOP did before them.
Who stands up for us? Who has our interests at the forefront?
Who's going to stand up for affordable healthcare, jobs, not these sh**y part time walmart jobs but real jobs, what about affordable education?, access to decent housing? Nobody, theyr'e too busy looking after their donors and raising cash for the next election.
I'll never ever vote for any GOP/Dem person again, funny thing is, it took me till this election to think like this, there's no change, there's no "new direction" being planned, We were all just used, voting fodder, fed a few scraps of lines to appeal to us and then goodbye till the next election.

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by Hawco
You know, I've had a sobering realization here, There's no real difference between the Dems and the GOP, all that happens is that big business money passes from one party to the other, If the Dems lose then the cash goes back the other way.
None of them have our interests at heart, The penny has finally dropped for me here, Look at where I live in California, both of them have it sown up so that nobody gets a look in from any other party and I bet you that's the same right across the country.
We can all go back and forth and forth and back on the GOP V Dems debate, but they are both the same in my book, I mean c'mon, do you think the dems will stick up for the avearge working man? nope, Just like the GOP didn't either.
The same tired old lines are now coming out of the Dems as what came out of the GOP beforehand, All they are going to do is look after their corporate donors, just like the GOP did before them.
Who stands up for us? Who has our interests at the forefront?
Who's going to stand up for affordable healthcare, jobs, not these sh**y part time walmart jobs but real jobs, what about affordable education?, access to decent housing? Nobody, theyr'e too busy looking after their donors and raising cash for the next election.
I'll never ever vote for any GOP/Dem person again, funny thing is, it took me till this election to think like this, there's no change, there's no "new direction" being planned, We were all just used, voting fodder, fed a few scraps of lines to appeal to us and then goodbye till the next election.

I've had that same revalation.  Been a registered Libertarian ever since...  

[Mace2004]

Originally posted by Hawco

Who stands up for us? Who has our interests at the forefront?
Who's going to stand up for affordable healthcare, jobs, not these sh**y part time walmart jobs but real jobs, what about affordable education?, access to decent housing?

As Meat Loaf said, "there ain't no Coupe de Ville lieing in the bottom of a Crackerjack box."  I think the fundamental problem here is you're expecting the government to do something it was never supposed to do in the first place.  Show me in the Constitution where is says government is responsible for any of these things?  You can't.  The sad part is that the politicians have convinced us that they're responsible for everything, you don't have to worry about taking care of yourself, we'll do it for you.  Worse, is that abdicating our own care to the government empowers the government in ways never intended.

[soda72]

'Iraq al-Qaeda' welcomes US poll

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6137082.stm

Looks like Al-Qaeda is happy with the election results....