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« Reply #120 on: December 06, 2006, 03:11:40 PM »
hazzer, you want peace? go to iraq and tell the terrorists to stop killing innocent iraqs, i dare you.

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« Reply #121 on: December 07, 2006, 01:17:02 AM »
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I did do somthing about it I went on the anti war march to London in 2003 ,a million people attended some of them war vetrans,Blair still went ahead.


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« Reply #122 on: December 07, 2006, 02:09:50 AM »
marching  itself is pretty militant seeming.
for peace, i think you should have a mosey or maybe a prance, but if u r real serious u need to have a perambulation

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« Reply #123 on: December 07, 2006, 03:42:11 AM »
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There you have it folks. The only clear winner in our little fiasco is Israel.

Woot!

Instead of an Iraqi secular dictator with gas filled scuds, we are about to get a nuclear fundamentalist Iran. I would have prefered the 1st option for Israel.

American actions in Iraq prevented it from dealing with N.Korea and Iran. While potentially good, the implementation of the Iraqi campaign made things worse. Never trust another nation with your vital interests.
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« Reply #124 on: December 07, 2006, 05:26:46 AM »
I think a large portion of Arab disdain and hate for Israel is not only due to the religious element but that the land Israel is founded on was taken from Palestinians in the late 40's, and because it has secular ramifications due to both Judaism and Islam being historically and biblically(?) tied to the area it is unacceptable to many arab peoples.

But something that greatly concerns me about Iran though is Ahmenijad's denial of the Holocaust ever occuring.  For an act such as the Holocaust (that was based upon actions of such evil, sinister, and anathema to humanity and life istself) to be discounted and denied is terribly unhuman, divinely disrepectful, and evil towards all human life.

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« Reply #125 on: December 07, 2006, 10:29:00 AM »
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marching  itself is pretty militant seeming.
for peace, i think you should have a mosey or maybe a prance, but if u r real serious u need to have a perambulation



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« Reply #126 on: December 07, 2006, 10:30:13 AM »
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Instead of an Iraqi secular dictator with gas filled scuds, we are about to get a nuclear fundamentalist Iran. I would have prefered the 1st option for Israel.

American actions in Iraq prevented it from dealing with N.Korea and Iran. While potentially good, the implementation of the Iraqi campaign made things worse. Never trust another nation with your vital interests.


I'm not so sure that US iraq operations had a damn thing to do with allowing iran to go nuclear and the same for nk.
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« Reply #127 on: December 07, 2006, 12:01:10 PM »
Iran was very conciliatory before the invasion of Iraq. Since the US (and allied) forces have become bogged down in Iraq, they have begun to push forward with their nuclear plans.

Basically, they were frightened of a US attack. They aren't anymore, because they know there's no way the US can invade now with the way things have gone in Iraq.

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« Reply #128 on: December 07, 2006, 02:58:26 PM »
That's nice conjecture but do you have anything other than your opinion (or others opinion) to back it up? I don't doubt that iran would have decided to go nuclear no matter what went on in iraq with the US. I think they'd be more worried about Isreal's reaction rather than the US.
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« Reply #129 on: December 08, 2006, 10:05:09 AM »
wow nashwan.. did you think that up yourself or do you have some special inside connection to how the iranians think.

The U.S. could take on Iran and the insurgents in iraq with not much more effort that iran itself.

couse... you could just complain and second guess or... you could help.. the UN could whine or they could get behind taking out another nut job country with nukes.

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« Reply #130 on: December 08, 2006, 10:11:58 AM »
Nashwan your reasoning is faulty. The US went into Iraq and destroyed it's once formidable army with little effort. We then went back and overthrew their government with little effort. What we can't do and probably never will be able to do is establish a democracy there if the people don't want it. Overthrowing governments though, no problem.

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« Reply #131 on: December 08, 2006, 12:55:30 PM »
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Nashwan your reasoning is faulty. The US went into Iraq and destroyed it's once formidable army with little effort. We then went back and overthrew their government with little effort. What we can't do and probably never will be able to do is establish a democracy there if the people don't want it. Overthrowing governments though, no problem.


If the US attacked Iran, you could do a lot of damage to them. But when you finish attacking them, the end result is their government gets back in power. In fact, it's likely to be a more hardline government.

It's like Gulf War I. The Iraqi army was smashed, but Saddam remained in power. You can smash the Iranian army, but the only way to change their government is to invade in large numbers, and you have to stick around long enough to establish a different government. Otherwise, all you achieve is damage to Iran, at the cost of damage to the west with substantially higher oil prices.

Do you think an invasion and occupation of Iran is on the cards now?

The Iranian government is no longer worried because they know the west can't hurt them badly. We can bomb some of their installations, but anything beyond that is out of the question at the moment, and for the next few years.

We shot our bolt in Iraq.

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« Reply #132 on: December 08, 2006, 01:05:23 PM »
skuds where not "gas filled" they had major war heads but luckly during the war manyy where duds and did not detonate one of these destroyed my grandmas house and half the block...

id rather be sure iraq is dunfore then take on iran gives a feeling of reaussernece
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« Reply #133 on: December 09, 2006, 10:25:47 AM »
well nashwan.. we may not be able to give them freedom but we certainly can take their military back to the stone age with little effort.

The sadman had the worlds fourth largest army I believe.  He was more than a match for iran...  how long did it take us to wipe out his army?

perhaps that is the solution...  they seem to want to live in the stoneage with a 21's century army... perhaps we should just make sure their army matches their society and religious beliefs.... bomb em back to the stone age.

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« Reply #134 on: December 09, 2006, 10:38:20 AM »
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Instead of an Iraqi secular dictator with gas filled scuds, we are about to get a nuclear fundamentalist Iran. I would have prefered the 1st option for Israel.

American actions in Iraq prevented it from dealing with N.Korea and Iran. While potentially good, the implementation of the Iraqi campaign made things worse. Never trust another nation with your vital interests.



Let's say we were not in Iraq.  How would you propose that we"deal" with Iran?
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