Does this news from the Middle East surprise anyone here?

[ByeBye]

How were we able to know weather or not Iraq had WMD?

[oboe]

Simple -- we could've just asked you.   You know everything, and are never wrong.

[ByeBye]

Originally posted by oboe
Simple -- we could've just asked you.   You know everything, and are never wrong.

The correct answer is that we went over there and found out for ourselves rather than trust the UN ispectors.

By the way, can you tell us the reason Iraq allowed UN inspecters in the first place? Could it have been the fact that the US forced them to? Nah, that couldn't be.......the use of military force never works for anything......it's always diplomacy that has decided the fate or the world we live in.

[Viking]

Originally posted by ByeBye
How were we able to know weather or not Iraq had WMD?

Oh they knew.

The intelligence people knew and the administration knew how to  "catapult the propaganda".



Collin and Condy sure knew.'

[Viking]

Originally posted by ByeBye
The correct answer is that we went over there and found out for ourselves rather than trust the UN ispectors.

The UN inspectors were right. Iraq had no WMD.

[oboe]

Originally posted by ByeBye
The correct answer is that we went over there and found out for ourselves rather than trust the UN ispectors.

By the way, can you tell us the reason Iraq allowed UN inspecters in the first place? Could it have been the fact that the US forced them to? Nah, that couldn't be.......the use of military force never works for anything......it's always diplomacy that has decided the fate or the world we live in.

NUKE, your credibility with me is zero.   It's not likely that I'll believe you have the correct answer to anything.

I have not argued broadly against the use of military force, or that it never works, or that diplomacy always rules the day.    I have never been convinced of the justification of the Iraq invasion, and subsequent events have confirmed (and in some cases exceeded) my worst fears about the whole fiasco.  

I have been astounded by people who publicly painted such rosy pictures of the invasion have turned out to be so wrong, with so little consequence, and that they continue to bloviate on the subject.

Mark Twain once said, "All you need in this life is Ignorance and Confidence; then Success is sure".   Perhaps there is some hope yet.

[Nude]

Originally posted by ByeBye
How were we able to know weather or not Iraq had WMD?

Maybe by listen UN weapons inspectors? Oh no; it would had been too easy

[Nude]

Originally posted by ByeBye
Going to war in Iraq was the correct decision.

Let's dig this one up after 2-3 years

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by ByeBye
How were we able to know weather or not Iraq had WMD?

Easily...we could have payed attention to those that cautioned that Iraq didn't have any.


ack-ack

[ByeBye]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Easily...we could have payed attention to those that cautioned that Iraq didn't have any.


ack-ack

There were very few people who thought they didn't have them, let alone "knew" they didn't have them.

I paid very close attention through the years leading up to this and I never saw anything but games being played by Iraq.... blocking inspections, not giving all the evidence that they had destroyed their wmd, kicking the inspecters out.... and on and on.

Nearly every country with intelligence thought that Iraq still had wmd and still was capable of producing them again as soon as inspections ended.

By all the actions and evidence at that time, I feel we made the only decision we could make to ensure that Iraq was not going to be a threat.

It's not over in Iraq either, as you know. I stand by my support for going into Iraq. If we had not gone into Iraq, we STILL would not know were all the wmd went and we STILL would have to just trust Saddam that he was not producing them or hiding them.

Of course, hindsight is 20/20, right?

[john9001]

i wonder what all the iraq trucks that went to syria right before the invasion had in them?
i know, watermelons, thats right, saddam shipped truck loads of watermelons to syria right before the invasion so they would not be damaged, yeah, thats the ticket.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Ripsnort

My question is this: Do you think this impeded the democracy process that the US tried to instill in Iraq after the war? Do you think that these arms, and trained insurgents, created the chaos that is now happing in Iran?

No. Democratization by force was a bad idea from the beginning.

It's no surprise that Iran supplies weapons and training. They have far more at stake in Iraq than the U.S.

[Debonair]

Originally posted by john9001
i wonder what all the iraq trucks that went to syria right before the invasion had in them?
i know, watermelons, thats right, saddam shipped truck loads of watermelons to syria right before the invasion so they would not be damaged, yeah, thats the ticket.

the invasion was in early spring, iirc, so i dont think watermellons were in season yet:furious

[Viking]

Originally posted by ByeBye
Nearly every country with intelligence thought that Iraq still had wmd and still was capable of producing them again as soon as inspections ended.

Could you please name one such country? British intelligence did not think Iraq still had WMD, nor did the French, Germans, Russians or indeed the American intelligence services.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=67020

But I don't think this is news to you Nuke. I think you're being deliberately misleading.

Originally posted by ByeBye
Of course, hindsight is 20/20, right?

Your hindsight perhaps. My foresight was 20/20, and so was most of Europe's.

[Viking]

Originally posted by john9001
i wonder what all the iraq trucks that went to syria right before the invasion had in them?

Perhaps the same as all those "chemical warfare" trucks Collin Powell showed pictures of at the UN?

Nothing.