Let the games begin! Hillary 1, Obama 0

[lukster]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Well, the republicans have been very successful garnering the uninformed white vote.

I think unenlightened is what you meant.

[VermGhost]

Originally posted by E25280
Speak for yourself.

I would vote for a green and yellow polkadotted hermaphadite space alien if the policies / platform was one I could agree with, and I had a reasonable expectation said alien would follow through on that platform.


But then, by definition, a space alien would not be a natrual-born US citizen, so I guess my dream will never be . . .

Don't put words in my mouth in the form of an ellipse.  The period is there for a reason.

Lazs

   verm... I think you have it backwards... it is not that the country is not ready for a woman or a black man for pres...

Thank you for stating what I was unable to state, in much better words!

MT

As opposed to conservative activist judges?

I wouldn't be surprised if she shares the same perspective on @nd Amendment rights as her husband, and in addition a great characteristic she has in common with a great deal of politicians (except McCain and a few others) is she has not yet made her stance on issues such as gun control well known or known at all.  This is something that in the last few days from looking at the National Political Awareness Test from vote-smart.org, stands out to me.  

These politicans have a duty to serve us (citizens).  By not making their intentions of how this country should be run or what laws should be drafted, we (citizens) cannot ultimately hold them accountable for their failures.  I really wish more politicans stood by their positions on issues and intelligently reinforced their persepective through data and research on issues, instead of jumping on an issue bandwagon to do battle with the opposite party or naysayers.

[Toad]

Originally posted by midnight Target
As opposed to conservative activist judges?

Which 2nd amendment rights has she advocated removing again?

It was her husband's administration that implemented the 1st real welfare reform ever.

No, as opposed to strict constructionist judges; the kind I prefer.

Hillary has an "F" rating from the NRA.

Voted against an amendment prohibiting the use of any funds appropriated in the FY2007 Department of Homeland Security Act from being used to confiscate legal firearms during states of emergency or major disasters.

Voted against (twice S397 & S1805)) a bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others.

She is beyond doubt anti-2nd; I suppose you forget how anti-gun she and her husband where when they were in the WH as a "team"?

Welfare reform, eh?

Clinton vetoed two other welfare reform bills that came from a Republican controlled Congress before he finally signed the third one. So whose idea was it?

[Toad]

Originally posted by oboe
Which Democratic Party candidate could you see yourself voting for, Toad?

Is there one?    Do you know much about Vilsack?

I haven't seen one enter the race so far that could possibly get my vote based on the information available to date.

Clinton, Obama, Dodd, Kucinich are totally out of the question simply on their 2nd Amendment positions. Both are F-rated by the NRA, top rated by Handgun Control. While guns specifically are not really the issue, I find that as a "litmus test" the 2nd issues quickly sort out the ones with whom I am in disagreement on most issues. It's a short cut; if they're wrong on the 2nd, they're wrong on everything else that is important to me.

I haven't researched Vilsack but a quick check is not promising. His latest "cut off the funding for Iraq" gives me flashbacks of the Dems betraying South Vietnam. I will continue to watch as he establishes his other positions.

Richardson, like Vilsack doesn't have a clearly defined stance on the 2nd. He's not as aggressive towards illegal immigration as I'd like to see. He has a lot of areas to fill in on his postion sheet as well. I will continue to watch him as well.

Gravel is an immediate "cut and run from Iraq" politician. The only thing he has going for him is his proposal to end the IRS/income tax in favor of a Fair Tax. I don't think he'll be going too far and I wouldn't vote for him at this point.

That sums up the "declared" candidate I think.

[CptTrips]

Everytime I see Hillary "The Red Queen" Clinton, I can't help but think of Angela Lansbury  in the original "The Manchurian Candidate".


Wab

[E25280]

Originally posted by VermGhost
Don't put words in my mouth in the form of an ellipse.  The period is there for a reason.

Not sure how an elipse, put there simply to indicate I was not quoting your entire post, and then stating my own opinion, is putting words in your mouth.  But if you choose to be offended, that's your problem.

[oboe]

Originally posted by AKWabbit
Everytime I see Hillary "The Red Queen" Clinton, I can't help but think of Angela Lansbury  in the original "The Manchurian Candidate".


Wab

That is a sure sign you've been programmed.   Now, can you figure out who did it to you?

[lazs2]

well put toad... if they are wrong on the second amendment then they are wrong on every thing else that I care about too.

the guys here who defend hillary have something in common... they all ask.. "what is so bad about her?"

Ok... let's turn it around... what about her is good?  what is one thing that only she supports (as opposed to the republicans) that I simply can't get in the republican candidates... what is so important that it will make me forget her liberal agenda and the destruction of my second amendment rights?  

What security will she provide that is worth all the freedom I will lose under her big government socialism?

Show me a democrat who wants to reduce the budget by making government smaller in something besides closing military bases/spending... one that is for constitutional rights as laid out by the founders.. less taxes for everyone and I will vote for him.

Till then... the libertarians have just suck away votes needed to defeat democrats.

If all the democrats vote for a libertarian then so will I.    If enough democrats are going to vote republican then I will vote libertarian.   I can see no reason in the world to ever vote for a democrat in the last few decades.

lazs

[Chairboy]

I read an article today speculating that Gore might be laying the groundwork for a new presidential run.  

This will be an interesting election.  Of course, they all are, really...

[Hap]

The spleen vented here sometimes breaches pathology.

From the Nuthouse,

hap

p.s.  How bout citing some proper sources:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Chairboy
I read an article today speculating that Gore might be laying the groundwork for a new presidential run.  

This will be an interesting election.  Of course, they all are, really...

Clinton/Gore 08 ...
and this time there will be no cigars and fat interns .. She guarantees it!

LOL would be funnier if many weren't so stupid as to actually vote for that combo ...

[midnight Target]

CNN debunks false report about Obama

I wonder why this never made it into this thread?

No I don't.

[Skuzzy]

Maybe due to CNN's lack of credibility?  It would not be the first time they lied to be able to have a story to tell.

Keep in mind, I do not really care one way or the other and am just tossing the above out into the lake to see if any fish are nibbling today.

I have my own reasons for not wanting the Billiardly (tm) or the OBomba (tm) in any office, much less the Presidency.

[Maverick]

Quite frankly I had never seen that report about the madrassa school. Oh well. One of the things that got me in reading the CNN report cited above was that the clinton campaign HQ was cited. Of course they deny it but I find it interesting that the story ran that way.

I saw they visted the school in 2007 to look it over to see if it is a madrassa. Unfortunately they didn't give any information about having talked to anyone about the time period in question which would be 69 to 71. What it is today does not have to be what it was 35+ years ago. They really need to do some digging to confirm the status of the school back then otherwise the issue is still open. I would imagine that Obama would want that rumor put to rest definitively.

[midnight Target]

In that article Mav..

Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it."

"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."