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Offline GtoRA2

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« on: February 08, 2007, 04:05:59 PM »
So on lunch heading to get Chilis baby back ribs, and some radio show was playing some quotes from Hillary.

Including the one she recently made about the oil industry.

Here is the quote:
 
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The Democrats know what needs to be done. Again, we're working trying to try push this agenda forward. The other day the oil companies reported the highest profits in the history of the world. I want to take those profits and I want to put them into a strategic energy fund that will begin to fund alternative, smart energy; alternatives and technology that will begin to actually move us toward the direction of independence



Her web page already has some spin and a feedback window on the subject.



The spins is "some of the money".


Taking a corporations profits, that it made legally, and was already taxed on sounds like the first step of the government taking over the oil industry.

Sounds like socialism to me.

I think she just stepped in it big time. Clintons page

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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2007, 04:09:08 PM »
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Taking a corporations profits, that it made legally, and was already taxed on sounds like the first step of the government taking over the oil industry.


An outrage I say!!!

Those poor oil companies.

I say annex em all, and put the CEO's to work at Burger King.  

Theiving, polluting, robber barons.

Then, I have no strong feelings on it at all.

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2007, 04:23:31 PM »
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An outrage I say!!!

Those poor oil companies.

I say annex em all, and put the CEO's to work at Burger King.  

Theiving, polluting, robber barons.

Then, I have no strong feelings on it at all.

Regards,

hap


Fine.  Choose not to use their products.  


Their success is still based off of your choice.
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2007, 04:55:16 PM »
I don't feel it's right to TAKE (err STEAL) money from anyone.  Just because the oil companies extort money from the masses does not give the government the right to take it from the oil companies.  What needs to be done is to put a reasonable cap on gas prices.  But of course the Fed's will never do anything to help the masses.  It sounds like all the democrats want is to use that money for their own pet projects.
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2007, 05:17:38 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2007, 05:20:50 PM »
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I don't feel it's right to TAKE (err STEAL) money from anyone.  Just because the oil companies extort money from the masses does not give the government the right to take it from the oil companies.  What needs to be done is to put a reasonable cap on gas prices.  But of course the Fed's will never do anything to help the masses.  It sounds like all the democrats want is to use that money for their own pet projects.


The oil companies don't extort money from anyone.  At any time you can choose not to buy gas.  Be it that you want to ride your bike from now on, or that you think they charge too much.


Just don't buy it.  Your voting power in that company is your wallet.  Express your vote!




Btw, capping the price on ANYTHING is one of the worst economic moves you can do.  See: Carter Administration.

You turn to the government really quickly for a libertarian too...
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2007, 05:25:22 PM »


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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2007, 05:34:34 PM »
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What needs to be done is to put a reasonable cap on gas prices. But of course the Fed's will never do anything to help the masses.


For that to happen you would have to nationalize and socialize the oil industry. Unfortunately, most of the profits and the bulk of gasoline prices are at the crude oil level. A gas price that would be “reasonable” to the average Escalade driver would likely be below the world market production price for refined gasoline since a typical gross margin on gasoline at rack to retail is roughly 10 cents or so. Thus, our tax dollars would have to subsidize gasoline production, or have alarming shortages of fuel since we can't substantially influence the cost of Crude at the world market level (Except by our demand, which we can influence by our driving and automotive choices) and we cant rely on oue anemic domestic production.

Just look to the gasoline supply crunch (cant get gas today for me, I have an even numbered last digit and it’s odd numbers only today!)  and higher overall prices of the 1970s for what happens with price controls. Even diehard consumer watchdog groups don’t want price controls. If we relied only on domestic production our economy would deflate.

We are in a demand driven supply cycle, due to high US motor fuel consumption and the growing markets in China and India. You want lower gas prices? Stop buying Chinese junk, demand a level playing field with international trade agreements so we reduce our dangerous trade deficit to natural competition levels, and drive more fuel efficient cars like we drove between the time reality set in 1973 and we forgot about reality in the mid “future’s so bright” 1990s.

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2007, 05:36:59 PM »
Lasersailor, not everything in life is black or white, there is allot of gray.  I only support the Libertarians because they are neither Republican nor Democrat.  If and when they become corrupt as those two groups then I will stand against them as well.

P.S.  I can't stand the Green Party.  People who feel a tree is worth more then a human life is an idiot.
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2007, 05:49:14 PM »
There must be a way of keeping fuel prices at a level where people still look for another fuel source and not put a burden on the truck drivers of this country.  Look at diesel prices compared to reg fuel, something is wrong there.
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2007, 05:58:53 PM »
Fuel is too important a resource to be managed by companies who only have one motive- profit.

Want to see the U.S. stay ahead of China?  Develop an alternative fuel source!

Want to see middle-eastern countries who hate the U.S. lose their ability to wage war?  Develop an alternative fuel source!

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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2007, 06:04:59 PM »
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Fuel is too important a resource to be managed by companies who only have one motive- profit.

Want to see the U.S. stay ahead of China?  Develop an alternative fuel source!

Want to see middle-eastern countries who hate the U.S. lose their ability to wage war?  Develop an alternative fuel source!


I agree with you, but for now I am worried about the truck drivers.  If they have to pay more for fuel I pay more for food.  I have no control over which gas station they use.
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2007, 06:11:46 PM »
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There must be a way of keeping fuel prices at a level where people still look for another fuel source and not put a burden on the truck drivers of this country.  Look at diesel prices compared to reg fuel, something is wrong there.


There is.  It's called SUPPLY AND ****ING DEMAND.  Cmon, am I the only one here?  Is this Mike on?

When the supply becomes too short, then the cost of alternative fuel sources will become more likeable.  


OR, you can stop demanding so much gasoline.  IF the demand goes down, the cost goes down.  


Until then, stop claiming you're a libertarian.  You're actually a democrat.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2007, 06:15:10 PM »
Which oil company do you own, or are you one of the many people they are always paying off?

P.S.  I don't remember reading anywhere that the Libertarians supported extortion.

P.P.S.  And what's with all the name calling?  You have no idea where I stand on other issues.  Just because I don't agree with you on this subject does not mean you should categorize me in the extreme opposite of your view.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2007, 06:51:46 PM by Xargos »
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2007, 07:12:48 PM »
It's not extortion!  It's free enterprise!  At any time you have the choice to buy or not buy gas.  No one forces you to buy gas.


And that one issue is enough to call you a democrat.
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