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[Lusche]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Both parties get a message.

Ehmmm..... yes, of course. Seems I had a total brain blackout for a minute.

[Bronk]

Removed because we get it

Bronk

[Chilli]

Everyone knows that ghost physics are different.  It is impossible for ghosts to collide.   So, this is an obvious error in code.  

Yes, LTARghst, it seems to me that the number of collisions is on the rise.   Hey, I bet there is a stat on it somewhere.  If not, maybe it should be.  

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[wrag]

Originally posted by Bronk
If you see orange text its your own damn fault.
If you get the white text it was the other guys.

That is all.


Bronk

I disagree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you see Orange text it's because YOUR computer SEES the collision!

I've tried to avoid many of these RAMS and I sometimes actually manage, by just a hair, to avoid.

Sometimes what I SEE isn't what the computer SEES.

It's useless to try and record these things with the AH films.  Because you WILL NOT see what you actually saw!!!

You will see what the computer SAW!  AH films are a recording of what the COMPUTER sees and records!

Try using a video camera and recording what is on your screen!

AND record using the AH filmer.

At times you WILL SEE a difference when you play both of them back!!!

It will be in micro seconds so PAY ATTENTION!

The affect is due to net lag, server lag, cpu lag to vid card, etc.  BUT it is there!

Unfortunately many of your rams/collisions or your avoiding the same occur in those micro seconds.

Also what the other persons computer sees and sends to the server has an affect on your AH flying!

When I had a slower vid card I would AVOID a collision on my front end, and still suffer a collision.  I could SEE I avoided the collision!  But when I filmed it and played it back I saw something else!  Once had a LA7 come at me HO I rolled and the LA passed to my left by about 20ft.  I got a collision message and down I went!  Played back the film and it showed a collision.  The LA flew right into me or my atempt at evading was not enough?!?!

Had to get a new vid card/cpu/mb and those things NEARLY went away/stopped.

But sometimes I still see em.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by wrag
Snip

Any excuse to to cover the fact.
A. You got to close.
B. You let them get to close.


In ah world.

Poor decisions on your part to not constitute collisions on my part.

Live with it.

Bronk

[Simaril]

All occasions where you collide happen on YOUR front end. Period.

Important to remember that "fault" (who had last chance to avoid the collision) is completely irrelevant in collision coding. All that matters is that on your computer, YOUR airplane occupied the same space as an enemy object (plane, falling bomb, whatever).

(Same in real life, now that I think about it. If it's the other guy's fault, you're plane is every bit as shattered as it would be if it were your fault.)

And in that sense, all collisions are to some major degree caused by what the highway patrol would call "failure to maintain safe distance." And that failure, folks, is always the operator's fault.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Bronk
Any excuse to to cover the fact.
A. You got to close.
B. You let them get to close.


In ah world.

Poor decisions on your part to not constitute collisions on my part.

Live with it.

Bronk

Hmmm..........

So if you somehow find yourself ina BIG furball and someone collides with you from behind, or the side, or you turn to avoid one HO and find yourself in another and do all you can to avoid BUT still get a collision, it's your fault?

So if your flying along and someone comes screaming in from alt and they miss the shot but YOU get a collsison message it's your fault?

Bronk I think what I posted is being totaly ignored.

It is a mix of net, AH server, ALL the servers in the route to and from AH and the other persons computer, and your computer, you computer speed, CPU cycles to your vid card, LATENCY/LAG.

Live with it?

IMHO the attitude displayed SUGGESTS a certain arrogance.  A certain "it doesn't affect me, therefore I don't care, so TUFF" approach to things.

Perhaps I will be online when it finally happens to you.  I've seen the occasional whine by some that posted the same sort of response.

Hmm......

Normally I just smile to myself and go on.  BUT in your case perhaps I should make an exception?

WHEN it happens, IN YOUR OPINION... what should I do? What do you suggest?  Should I CROW with laughter on 200?  Should I make reference to this thread on 200?  Should I announce to all on 200 all this?

Perhaps I should just wait until something happens to you while your in AH that you do care about???????????????????

Then come back with a "live with it" quote?

What do you suggest?

[wrag]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I see aloot of BS (and thats exactly what it is) about it being your fault ,not evading enough, being to close etc etc.

while in alot..Ill even say most of the time it may be true. that is not always the case.

If your in a stall and "collide with someone. Its not your fault. If your fighting someone else and someone comes screaming in at you and you collide with them its not always your fault

I could go on and on. But bottom line is there can be aot of instances where its not always your fault.

And unless yor God himself nobodies SA or reflexes or forboding are that perfect

There was someone who mentioned before how a flight of buffs warped a couple hundred yards backwards and he got the collision on his end.

While someone else here is saying stay farther away.
Ok beyond 300 yards gun effectiveness starts to drop off dramatically
while I can and do consistantly hit and kill planes at 400 yards. many cant

(and is it yards or feet? Im more inclined to think feet because a plane at even 300 yards looks a hell of alot smaller IRL then it does in game. but thats a different arguement for a different thread)

So whats a "safe distance"? 600, 800? Better yet just sit in the tower then you dont have to worry about it at all.

Point is. Not my end your end. Lag etc etc etc. I personally understand all that.
My point is collisions create more problems and grief then they add to game emersion.

Every couple of weeks there is a new collision arguement here.
I cant think of nothing that is argued about more.

Collision model or no collision model people STILL try to fly planes at and through other planes.

Sometimes one side gets it. some times the other side gets it. sometimes both sides get it.
but no matter who collides with whom people still do it.

It does very little to deter this activity. so whats the point in having it if all it really does is piss people off and cause arguements.

Just turn it off and be done with it

Actually IMHO I find what I said in close accord to what Dred has expressed.  Or at least it was my intent to say such.

I just expressed it in a different way.

DRED

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Both parties get a message.

This was my point exactly.  I didn't get a message.  I looked right away as soon as the ch 200 tirade started.  He claims he did get a message.

Of course I never film anything ever.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by wrag
Hmmm..........

So if you somehow find yourself ina BIG furball and someone collides with you from behind, or the side, or you turn to avoid one HO and find yourself in another and do all you can to avoid BUT still get a collision, it's your fault?

Yup I put myself in a furball where guess what... I have limited choices in maneuvering. What it's the other guys fault I decided to enter a furball?


So if your flying along and someone comes screaming in from alt and they miss the shot but YOU get a collsison message it's your fault?

I'd assume on there front end they flew past. I've done enough film examinations now to know the other guy flew to what HE has seen. You on the other hand expect him to fly by YOUR front end, something he cannot see.  Again if I let him get too damn close yes it's my fault. Bad SA , ACM  sleeping at the wheel I don't care. Orange text you screwed up somewhere.


Bronk I think what I posted is being totaly ignored.

No I just call em as I see em. You want to balme poor sa, acm, not paying general attention on collisions.

It is a mix of net, AH server, ALL the servers in the route to and from AH and the other persons computer, and your computer, you computer speed, CPU cycles to your vid card, LATENCY/LAG.

Yes and the collision model is the best compromise on sub light data transmission. Or have you developed warp speed internet?

Live with it?

Yes, see above text.

IMHO the attitude displayed SUGGESTS a certain arrogance.  A certain "it doesn't affect me, therefore I don't care, so TUFF" approach to things.

Perhaps I will be online when it finally happens to you.  I've seen the occasional whine by some that posted the same sort of response.

While I infrequently collide I understand that they sometimes happen. Usually from putting myself in a bad spot. You on the other hand feel that It's never your fault, and that the other guy must fly to what YOU see. So I guess I have to live with it also. Shame I can't bring myself to feel as special as you.


Hmm......

Normally I just smile to myself and go on.  BUT in your case perhaps I should make an exception?

Ohh boy I'm going to get it now.

WHEN it happens, IN YOUR OPINION... what should I do? What do you suggest?  Should I CROW with laughter on 200?  Should I make reference to this thread on 200?  Should I announce to all on 200 all this?

See one of my above post on what happened last night. I never say anything on 200 about collisions unless....  I get white text and the tardling says "nice ram" or some equivalent. I then try to explain the whole white text, orange text thing. But usually, like you it's never their fault.  Lag, collision code's wrong, I cheat blah blah blah.

Perhaps I should just wait until something happens to you while your in AH that you do care about???????????????????

Then come back with a "live with it" quote?



What do you suggest?
Unlike you I can and have admitted to being wrong. So go ahead.

 

Well if you get the white text ..... Yup the live with it works for me.
There own damn fault they choose not to learn how the model works .
Or they just can't except the fact they put themselves in a position where a collision is more probable.


Bronk

[Bronk]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
This was my point exactly.  I didn't get a message.  I looked right away as soon as the ch 200 tirade started.  He claims he did get a message.

Of course I never film anything ever.

Either he lied or you just missed the text somehow.

Bronk

[bzek74]

Give into your anger and your journey to the darkside will be complete.

[mussie]

This thread and all other collision threads are a prime example of the fact that people just dont get it......

[Chilli]

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Ghastly
Wrong again.  It eliminates about 90% of the dweebery, because as it is now if I avoid the collision and you do not you have to start out again on the runway, and I get to continue shooting down your squaddies and countrymen.  The reason that it p****s people off is that it DOES have a significant impact on their game play, and if you turn it off, then there would be 10 times the complaints over the style of game play that would result, where the only consideration is to manage to get guns on another aircraft and hold down the trigger as you fly through them.  

LOL you must either not spend alot of time in the MA. Or if you do then you dont spend alot of time in large fights or if you do. you do so from a lofty perch and not mix it up alot

If you are colliding a lot then you need to fly your aircraft such that it's not possible or at minimum extremely difficult for the other player to pull into you.  If you are stalling into other aircraft, you are getting too slow to control your aircraft, and you need to maintain a higher e-state.  If you are running into them in the first forward quarter pass, you need to start planning your merge to gain angles or an E advantage to win the fight post-merge rather than on the approach.  If you are running into them a high speed guns pass, you need to gain better control of your aircraft to get your shots in and pull off sooner.  If someone warps into you, that's a different story - about the same as a disco.  When it happens it's like a cost of living tax - something you accept because that's the Internet just isn't perfect, and never will be.

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I dont collide alot. and when I do its more often then not from someone climbing up to take an HO shot while Im comming out of the top of a loop or from someone screaming in trying to cherry pick me while Im already involved with a fight against two or more.
Occasionally I get the ones where Im trying ot avoid the HO and the other guy turns into my evasive

and sometimes I screw up and dont pull away fast enough.

but by and large I dont collide alot. when I do it seems to come in bunches

to say all collisions are avoidable is absurd. 8im not saying that to you specifically but in general.

there are alot of instances where your involved with other things going on and simply cant keep track of everything.
The dweebery is there. collision model or no collision model.

And I fully know the difference between bullets hitting me and a collision.

One you get a "you have collided with" message the other you dont