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Offline Bronk

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« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2007, 03:09:51 PM »
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P.S.  LMAO ghst, I thought you understood the collision model!


Bet someone got orange text again.   :D


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« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2007, 03:14:20 PM »
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Bet someone got orange text again.   :D


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« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2007, 03:50:46 PM »
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To Mars, Mash, Rod and others:

Why HO, you ask?  Its part of the "mentality" you deride.

In the AvA, I rarely / almost never HO; because in there, it is all about the fight.  This matches up with the "mentality" you folks play with every day in the MA.

In the MA, my "mentality" is different because it isn't just about the fight to me.  In the MA we have a goal outside of pure fighting, such as capturing or defending a base.  

When in that mode, the main thing is to get the other guy out of the sky as quickly as possible so he does not have the chance to mess up what you are trying to accomplish (examples: notice / kill the M-3 or goon, or simply outlast you until more help arrives for his side, trying to break up their base cap, etc.).  

If that means HOing him, so be it.  It gets him out of the sky and buys the rest of the team time to get the job done.  The goal at that point is something other than having that marvelous ACM fight you folks are looking for.

If I want an ACM fight I personally go to the AvA or (rarely) the DA.  No one else is depending on me to do my part for the "goal" in there.  But in the MA, it's "goon is close, clear the sky", and if that means HOing that guy who is headed in my direction, darned right I do it.


I don't expect you to agree with it, just trying to explain it.








what part of i don't care if someonme goes for ho you don't get?


 i've had great fights in ma i'll turn fight in tempest if its 1 on 1 but if i can see guys has rudder pedals you bet with my twist stick i'll use planes speed find new target. I can turn with most untill skilled pilot with rudder pedals. pedals make huge dif in turn fight,...............And yes i would get rudder pedals if I had legs to use them.




P.S.  LMAO ghst, I thought you understood the collision model!
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« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2007, 05:28:59 PM »
This post was not about the HO. It was about the Ram. No I dont guess I understand collision model. Yesterday defending 28 I was rammed about 5-6 times. Four by the same person who is a noob. I was in Hurri which is not a fast palne as everyone knows. Was rammed 2 times from the rear and 3 or 4 from the front. I died on all these collisions and he got kill..messages were in white. While he flew off as if nothing happened. So NO I guess I dont understand.
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« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2007, 05:30:22 PM »
Film?


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« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2007, 05:31:24 PM »
No but I am gald you mentioned it. Gonna start filming.
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« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2007, 08:07:28 PM »
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This post was not about the HO. It was about the Ram. No I dont guess I understand collision model. Yesterday defending 28 I was rammed about 5-6 times. Four by the same person who is a noob. I was in Hurri which is not a fast palne as everyone knows. Was rammed 2 times from the rear and 3 or 4 from the front. I died on all these collisions and he got kill..messages were in white. While he flew off as if nothing happened. So NO I guess I dont understand.
Then he probably shot you before colliding with you.  

If he was still flying afterwards, then it was a glancing blow to him.

I remember losing a tail wheel to a collision once . . . I am sure the other guy was saying "WTF?  He collided with me and didn't take any damage!"  Well, I did take damage, just not to anything vital.


And back to rod and mash, I didn't think you were "mad" about them, but you seemed to be wondering why some folks go for the HO all the time.  Example:
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Was fighting kev's tiffy in my tiffy film has 3 ltars trying to ho me as i was on kevs 6.
So, you were on Kev's 6, and the guys went for the HO to clear a countryman.  The need to do it quickly (before you killed Kev) existed.  If they took the time to maneuver into a better (non-HO) position, they may have been too late.

There is also always the possibility of definition.  I have seen arguments on the BBs about HO vs high deflection shot, so . . .

Not sure why I am bothering about it -- bored and looking for a rational "discussion" I suppose.

Anyway, hope to see you all in the air so I can try to ram you.  :aok


Hey, someone says it can't be done, others say it happens regularly -- I'm taking it as a challenge!  :t
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« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2007, 09:26:47 PM »
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Bet someone got orange text again.   :D


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you're clueless dude...you type for the sake of typing...
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« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2007, 09:55:43 PM »
I rammed a panzer with my IL-2 before, does that count for anything?

I did it on purpose too :D

(I flew right through it and I only lost my engine oil in the process) :rolleyes:
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« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2007, 12:39:38 AM »
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you're clueless dude...you type for the sake of typing...


Really, so are you saying if you get orange text. Your front end doesn't detect a collision? IE your plane occupying the same space as enemy's.

If so please post film, I'd love to see it.


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« Reply #55 on: February 19, 2007, 08:15:23 AM »
Been a little while since I posted and no time to read back but,....

I think I was saying that, orange text has no bearing on who actually initiated the ramm. It seems strictly based on connection. 1 player in particular seems to try for the ramm in his LA as soon as he realizes he's outflown. in 3 encounters in the same day with this player he managed to ramm me 3 times! 2 of which I got the orange text while trying to avoid his dweebness.

And I think I was in a bad mood when I first posted in response to you.. :aok
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« Reply #56 on: February 19, 2007, 08:21:30 AM »
yeah i hate the ramming too, but what i dont get is sometimes the guy rams u. you lose a wing or something, and the other guy that rammed u is ok. wtf














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« Reply #57 on: February 19, 2007, 09:31:55 AM »
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Been a little while since I posted and no time to read back but,....

I think I was saying that, orange text has no bearing on who actually initiated the ramm. It seems strictly based on connection. 1 player in particular seems to try for the ramm in his LA as soon as he realizes he's outflown. in 3 encounters in the same day with this player he managed to ramm me 3 times! 2 of which I got the orange text while trying to avoid his dweebness.

And I think I was in a bad mood when I first posted in response to you.. :aok


You my friend have just proven you are the one with "no clue".
Let me clue you in. Collisions are detected client side, that is to say on your pc.
So what you see is what you get. After a collision has been detected 2 things happen.
1. Orange text telling you a collision occurred. Orange
2. Your front end sends a private text to the player you collided with. White

I'll see if can find the films I posted before and repost here.


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« Reply #58 on: February 19, 2007, 10:13:48 AM »
it could infact be all the new guys trying way to hard to shoot you down, and if his pipper is pointing at you, and he doesnt move, hes going to hit you

they come hurtling in a 400mph rolling and spraying at your plane, ive done it a few times, although it is generally in a knifefight and he appears over my cockpit as we both manuevre for angles :P
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« Reply #59 on: February 19, 2007, 10:15:06 AM »
Thread.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=196872&highlight=collision


Films re-uploaded.

enemy view
http://www.speedyshare.com/111730354.html

my view
http://www.speedyshare.com/651347756.html

In each film slow it down to .25.
Go to tangles view external and adjust so above and watching 6.


I get orange text then go pooof.
Tangle gets white text and watches me go poof.

Film don't lie.
I suggest you film sorties for a bit and look at collisions.

Try to understand that in the enemy view he is not hitting you.

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