Global Warming SOLAR-made not MAN-made

[Angus]

Nope.
N-Cap is melting very fast now. Greenland is delivering slabs and opening up areas not seen since ancient times.
S-pole is dropping slabs in the Gore-style.
Sucks!

[Angus]

BTW, the amount of thermal energy in the sea should not be overlooked.

[Masherbrum]

Look to the planet Venus and see what Global Warming does.

[Solar10]

Originally posted by Terror
According to the scientist in this article, since Mars is also warming, it's strong evidence that "global warming" is caused by SOLAR activity and not as much man-made activity....

Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says

Seems to be a logical conclusion....

Terror

Great!.  Wife blames me for everything and now this!

[Angus]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Look to the planet Venus and see what Global Warming does.

True point. Venus, being farther from the sun than Mercury, has more temp.
No new news, the dynamic is well known.
BTW, if you could "tailormake" Venuses atmosphere, it could be in the Earth's ballpark.
Second note, Mars would be colder if not for it's high condension of CO2.
However, the atmosphere is very thin, - Mars has very much less gravity than Venus (actually not much more than our moon), so holding an atmosphere means it would have to consist of "heavier" or more stable gases.
This whole lot is no unknown science, it's all about flexing the solar input in to our out of use. It's even used when making windows. And the effects in % are quite impressive!

[Angus]

BTW, what I mean with thermal energy in the sea is that the mass in just a few metres of sea is more than in the whole atmosphere. (760 mm hg has the mass of some 13.5 times the amount of water,  - some 10 metres).
So a little warming in the sea is a lot of energy.

[Angus]

TCT throttles the mixture AFAIK.
I'll ask about, maybe I find some nice docs about it.

[Masherbrum]

It just makes me laugh that "Global Warming is a sham", etc.   It isn't, it will happen.    In 4 billion years the Sun's corona will be past Mars, the Earth will look like the Moon afterwards.

But, efforts should be made to prevent what has happened on Venus, and that could happen within a few Generations.

[cpxxx]

Originally posted by RetroVirus
On various boards on which I post, I can't help noticing that those people who have been called "anti-environmentalists" - who claim that global warming is not man's fault/isn't a problem/is not happening at all - fall into two broad groups -

- those whose hobbies/jobs/livelihoods depend upon burning of large quantity of fossil fuel

- those who live in places like Texas, where their economy is dependent upon American "Big Oil".


Hmmm....

Well I'm not a Texan but I am a pilot so..................

However most of us burn quite a bit of fossil fuel, whether we like it or not. Do you drive a car? What do you heat your house with? Do you fly away on vacation? Do you use plastic goods?

We all burn fossil fuels and plenty of it.

I prefer to think that like Texans, those of us who are dubious about man made global warming are actually people who think for themselves and are not inclined to accept the 'inconvenient truth' no matter how hard it is rammed down our bloody throats. I frankly am sick to the back teeth of the relentless doom laden propaganda we are being fed lately.

I used to think I was the only one but of late a few others have come out of the woodwork and there is a definite rebellion against the new status quo. We may be wrong, maybe we humans are the entire cause of global warming. I don't believe it and an increasing number of us don't believe it either, even scientists. It tells you something when scientists who buck the trend are ridiculed by their peers. This is a very bad thing when it comes to proper science. I found it very disturbing lately when a so called scientist declared that the 'debate is over, man made global is a reality'. Very scientific!!

It rained all summer here this year. No longer do we see this as nature at it most erratic and capricious. No, we caused it to rain all summer! All on our very own. Human vanity and hubris.

You need people like us to kick the shin of the consensus. Even if we are wrong, which I doubt. You need people like us to doubt the 'inconvenient truth' because truth can be a very elastic phenomenon.

[Angus]

A point on "it rained here and was cold" etc.
The Oceans are roughly 2/3 of the globe. Their mass is an incredible many-time number of the atmosphere, - the first 30 feet of the surface or so will pawn that.
The Icecaps that are now turning into seawater are big indeed as well. Instead of working as a water storage (fresh) they are now mixing with the sea. The Icecaps also contain more mass than the atmosphere.
Sorry about it, but it just makes me giggle to read the arguments that "it's cold in my place" and comparing them to the sheer enormous mass of warming sea DESPITE melting ice.

[cpxxx]

WTF, how did a global warming hand grenade thrown into pond by Lazs turn into an interesting discussion on design of small engines.

As for the original article, this bit I liked:

The global warming hysteria will be remembered as one of those episodes of "the madness of crowds" which saw bands of flagellants wandering Europe urging folks to finish work on those cathedrals real soon because the world was going to come to an end at the millennium, in 1,000 A.D., and the minor panic of Oct. 30, 1938, when numerous radio listeners were taken in by the realistic Orson Welles broadcast of "The War of the Worlds."

Very true.

I don't agree that it is all the fault of the 'socialists'. Everyone has jumped on that particular bandwagon, right, left or sheeplike. I would love to jump forward into the future to read the history books on this period. Should be interesting.

[Angus]

Call it a hysteria, the visit the north pole, then Greenland, then the Ross shelv.
Do a little study....

[cpxxx]

It makes me 'giggle' to read that a few mild winters here means the global ice cap is melting forever and it was all caused by us.

The issue isn't whether we are going through a warm phase and I realise a warm phase may simply mean not as cold but still cold. We are going through a warm period.

The debate is whether or not we did it and is there anything we can do about it? My belief is no on both counts. Many others believe the same thing.

[lazs2]

retrovirus... I don't think I use more energy than 75% of the people who are in the religious man made global warming zealot camp.

It is not so much my "hobbies" that I am defending as my freedom.

I have noticed that all the flagulants of "man made global warming" are lefties and want bigger government with more restrictions and more socialism to "solve the problem"

I also notice that their claims are wild and changing and scare tactics.  

To me it sure seems more of a lefty socialist thing versus an individualist personal freedom thing.

I think that when all the hysteria is out of the thing... most people realize that we are polluting.. we will always pollute... even deer pollute but...  most people realize that there is a lot of hype and outright lies because of the lefts agenda and that the pollution is not causing any significant change...

that nature is the real driving force of global climate and that if it decides to warm the globe of to cool it.. we are insignificant players and only along for the ride... we can't change the trends that mother nature has set since the beggining of time and..

Tho they pretend to understand all there is to know about it... they still don't know squat.. they are faking it and bs'ing.    They don't know why it gets hotter or colder here any more than they know why the entire universe gets hotter or colder.   but.. they can't tax the sun or regulate it so..

lazs


lazs

[lazs2]

angus.. how is it then that in our time.... there were areas of the north pole that were bare of ice and now have ice on them?  How could that be?   How can satalite pictures of the north pole show huge areas of ice growing and shrinking at alarming rates (both ways) in just a ten year period.. it would almost seem natural.

How is it that the southern hemisphere is cooling... if you were to be an alarmist you would say that at the rate it is cooling the southern part will be in an ice age in the next 50 years.  

If you look at any chart of global temp... we are heading down... at the rate it is moving we are going to be in another ice age in no time at all...

And of course.. it will be something man is doing that causes it.

lazs