Global Warming SOLAR-made not MAN-made

[Angus]

Shrug untill you dislocate a shoulder

[Angus]

Where I live, we pay some 4x as much for gas as you do, - or more?
And we get on just fine
Lifestandard is good, and life expectancy is record breaking.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
Shrug untill you dislocate a shoulder

Easy enough to bypass the question.
Too scary?

[lazs2]

retro... you make no sense.   and... you have not "told you so".

If you are beetle as I suspect then you have told us nothing in the past... I, and many others here have always said the oil will become more expensive... it is getting scarcer... supply and demand.  that is the way it should work.

cost will drive whatever happens.

But that is not what you said or want at all is it?   Your plan (such as it is) so far, is... to (LOL) simply let the people using e85 not pay their state registration fee of $20-200 a year... that will not raise a billion dollars a day that you say we need to cover the increased cost of ethanol over gasoline.  to make up the shortfall on what we produce.

I would rather let the market run it... I would rather explore for more oil and I sure wouldn't mind adding small amounts of alcohol to the gasoline as it becomes viable.   viable meaning the market costs are sensible.

10% alcohol would probly be the smart way to get going.

so far... you have nothing.   You have not had one suggestion that is workable.

Sooooo what do you suggest we do?  your only suggestion so far is laughable... the registration one...

Ya got anything else?

lazs

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
It must be frustrating to be as consistantly wrong as you seem to be.

I don`t think he`s noticed.

[lazs2]

LOL... simplistic diagrams.... that is what the alarmists have to show us?

angus...  the warmer periods of history have been the best ones for life on this planet.  the cold ones have been disaster.

retro... the site did not lie to you.. it was data that was a decade old but...  even at that.. your data may be an overestimate.   but say it is the worst case scenario... it would still mean that mans real contribution to greenhouse gas is a tiny little fraction of a percent and that in order for it to make any difference at all... that greenhouse gas would have to be the only driving force for global temperatures....

This would not explain of course why the entire universe heats and cools along with suns activities regardless of what type of atmosphere they have.  It would not  explain why a shift in the rotation of the planet happens to change the global climate.

lazs

[Angus]

We don't have a warm period, - it's just cosy. The warmer periods never supported intelligent life as well. The climate in the warmer period is thought to have been somewhat violent BTW.
The cold periods were rough, but yet intelligent life was starting to blossom in the last cold one.
And in cold periods, not all the globe was frozen over.
In an accelerated warm period as some are predicting (me not), you will have no life on the planet at all. If it is not just the sun, but a function of high emissions and low vegetation to add, it may however be a situation never occuring before. I'd rather not take the chances.
So naturally, I am all for the western world growing as much fuel as they can. It will balance emissions to some point, lengthen the period untill we run out of oil anyway, and make us less depended on....OPEC as well as Venezuela.....
As for Retro's explaining picture being simple, it still seems to be complicated enough for some on the forum....

[lazs2]

LOL... even you admit that in cold periods starvation is a very real possibility.. and when it is warm that does not mean that everywhere is too hot.   It just means a longer growing season in most of the cold areas.

The satalite data for the last two decades for instance shows no real increase in the temp for the US.   I tend to think that the more accurate data it gathers is an  indication that the rest of the data gathered may have some problems but... say your little part of the world got a little longer growing season... besides their not really being a damn thing we can do about it....  how bad a thing would that be?

we have had more co2 before and we have had more heat.  Nothing to worry about except what some alarmist might come up with for a "cure".

lazs

[Angus]

The most vast dryland not being used to produce food at all, is...hot.
The main production of food comes from temperate climates.
With warming and caps melting you have some of the finest arable areas drowned, desert zones moving up, and the only exhange are naked rocky areas.
Any other wise thoughts?

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by lazs2
Of course we are "contributing toward it"... we are contributing toward every single thing that happens just by being here.

The point is tho..  how much and what can we do about it...  I say very little in both cases.   I say that nature is such an overwhelming cause that anything we do about global climate won't change the way nature wants to go in any real measurable way.

angus's quote simply says that the scientists are caught off guard by nature once again... big surprise... they simply can't predict squat when it comes to any natural global climate.   They don't understand fully how nature works much less how we affect it.. their models are pitiful childrens toys missing any signifcance in the real world.

lazs

People used to say the exact same thing about dumping trash in the oceans.  That, was until, all the trash started washing back up.  I'm not getting back into this BS debate on here again.  Those of you that know me, know I'm a real scientist that deals with this information in real time.  There is a serious lack of understanding on the basics of the issue bu the general public.  I won't begin here, I got drawn into this debate before, and won't again.  Laz, and others that continually hang onto their beliefs, please, please, go start reading and understand the basics of science before you start spouting your ideology.  I understand yours... the Farmer's Almanac...  was the beginning of scientific inquiry in this country, and revolves around observations of local influence.  It most certainly did not predict the late arrival and severity of the past few winters, where in late December there were flowers blooming in Alaska and Siberia.  Bears in higher latitudes never went into torpor last year.  Things are changing, and SOLAR influence is not the mitigating factor.
The amount of solar change is integrated into calculations pertaining to climate change, and it doesn't add up.  Even NASA Climate Studies, before they were ordered to stand down by the current administration ADMITTED this.

READ MORE THAN THE FARMER'S ALMANAC.

[Angus]

At last, something making sense.

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by MORAY37
READ MORE THAN THE FARMER'S ALMANAC.

but unfortunately some just dont want to accept the truth.
the world is a flat, yes.

[Terror]

This WebSite details some of the problems associated with surface temperature observation stations.

See if you can help them out by doing a visual survey of a local weather station.

Terror

[AKIron]

Originally posted by MORAY37
People used to say the exact same thing about dumping trash in the oceans.  That, was until, all the trash started washing back up.  I'm not getting back into this BS debate on here again.  Those of you that know me, know I'm a real scientist that deals with this information in real time.  There is a serious lack of understanding on the basics of the issue bu the general public.  I won't begin here, I got drawn into this debate before, and won't again.  Laz, and others that continually hang onto their beliefs, please, please, go start reading and understand the basics of science before you start spouting your ideology.  I understand yours... the Farmer's Almanac...  was the beginning of scientific inquiry in this country, and revolves around observations of local influence.  It most certainly did not predict the late arrival and severity of the past few winters, where in late December there were flowers blooming in Alaska and Siberia.  Bears in higher latitudes never went into torpor last year.  Things are changing, and SOLAR influence is not the mitigating factor.
The amount of solar change is integrated into calculations pertaining to climate change, and it doesn't add up.  Even NASA Climate Studies, before they were ordered to stand down by the current administration ADMITTED this.

READ MORE THAN THE FARMER'S ALMANAC.

You're not getting into this debate again huh? Are you not jumping right in with both feet? I guess we're just supposed to be quieted at your superior self proclaimed scientificness? Pardon me if I'm not impressed.

[Angus]

Originally posted by AKIron
You're not getting into this debate again huh? Are you not jumping right in with both feet? I guess we're just supposed to be quieted at your superior self proclaimed scientificness? Pardon me if I'm not impressed.

If he's jumping in with 2 feet, well a good thing