Who is Ron Paul?

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by Rolex
The candidates and media are acting like the election is this year. Eighteen more months of hot air from politicians and pundits is like torture. What did we ever do to them to deserve this?

the first primary is in less than 7 months.

[Dadano]

Ron Paul issues Rudi some summer reading. Educating Rudy Press Conference.

[lazs2]

bsd.. nooo... you should not give up and you should spred the word of your guy.   It is not as to me as RPM..

RPM backed a loser that was also a socialist.   I had good reason to give him a bad time and I did it on the basis of kinkies liberal socialist message and... the fact that he had no chance.   I was very glad to see the guy get shot down in a big way.

ron pauls message is one I like... That does not change the fact that aside from a few cubicle dwelling libertarians and some individualists... no one will vote for him once he starts telling the average American just how much he is going to take away from them in goodies or how he wants to end the war on drugs or how he feels about the borders or... even abortion.

He will lose a big chunk every time he opens his mouth to answer a well thought out question.

lazs

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by lazs2
bsd.. nooo... you should not give up and you should spred the word of your guy.   It is not as to me as RPM..

RPM backed a loser that was also a socialist.   I had good reason to give him a bad time and I did it on the basis of kinkies liberal socialist message and... the fact that he had no chance.   I was very glad to see the guy get shot down in a big way.

ron pauls message is one I like...

that right there is a big part of why I reacted like I did to your earlier criticisms.   From prior discussions I assumed you would like RP and would be on "our side" so to speak.  There's plenty of people who disagree with Ron's message and actually think he would be a bad president, let them criticise and cast doubt.  Coming from you I felt a little betrayed.

That does not change the fact that aside from a few cubicle dwelling libertarians and some individualists... no one will vote for him once he starts telling the average American just how much he is going to take away from them in goodies or how he wants to end the war on drugs or how he feels about the borders or... even abortion.

He will lose a big chunk every time he opens his mouth to answer a well thought out question.

I dunno.  as to the WoD, there's a lot of people on both sides of the spectrum that see the futility and waste in that "war".  

The loss of social welfare programs, I see that as a bigger potential stumbling block than his stance on the WoD.  

His stance on abortion could be tricky, while he's personally very much pro-life (he's delivered over 4000 babies), on constitutional grounds he is against the fedgov being involved in any way in the matter.  When he votes against federal funding of abortions he makes the pro-lifers happy, when he votes against a federal ban on abortions he makes the pro-choice crowd happy.  he explains his stance in this article,  Federalizing Social Policy.  The challenge will be in getting people to understand his constitutional reasoning.

The border issue I'm personally on the fence about.  National defense is a constitutionally authorized power of the fedgov, and securing our boarders does seem to be in line with that.  The flip side is that in one way or another, we're all no more a few generations away from being immigrants and the "America the Melting Pot" analogy is part of our national character.  This is a tough one for me...

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by lazs2
bsd.. nooo... you should not give up and you should spred the word of your guy.   It is not as to me as RPM..

RPM backed a loser that was also a socialist.   I had good reason to give him a bad time and I did it on the basis of kinkies liberal socialist message and... the fact that he had no chance.   I was very glad to see the guy get shot down in a big way.

ron pauls message is one I like... That does not change the fact that aside from a few cubicle dwelling libertarians and some individualists... no one will vote for him once he starts telling the average American just how much he is going to take away from them in goodies or how he wants to end the war on drugs or how he feels about the borders or... even abortion.

He will lose a big chunk every time he opens his mouth to answer a well thought out question.

lazs

Ron Paul should issue you a reading lesson about the war on drugs has totally failed, reduced our civil liberties and wasted trillions of dollars that could be spent on education / health care, or anything else.

Marijuana being the USAs #1 cash crop is an exclamation point on what a failure the WOD is, and how ineffective the .gov is 'fighting' this war. Just think, if MJ were legal there might be the type of chaos they have in Amsterdam... people laughing in public.

Marijuana production = $35.8 billion, which is more than Corn ($23.3 billion) + wheat ($7.5 billion) combined... the bush would call this 'mission accomplished' I suppose, while those with common sense see it as a giant on-going big gov failure.

Start by reading this

[lazs2]

People accuse me of repeating myself but... xmarine and bsd act as tho they have never read anything I have ever wrote.

I am on your side.. I am not on disability nor do I work in a cube but I have the same goals of less government in my life.   I think any adult should be able to buy a pound of heroin at the local grocery store for $10 if he wants...   I don't give a crap about pot in the least... It was one of the few drugs I could easily ignore since it just makes you seem weak, pathetic and stupid.

I am however pragmatic... something you should also know from reading me.  

He hasn't a prayer.   We haven't torn down the ingrained taboos enough yet to simply tell the voters "your ingrained belief is as stupid as you are so we are going to turn everything upside down for your own good"

You can't change 50% or so of the peoples ideas about drugs or abortion or guns or whatever.

I am not fighting anyone.   I am not a particularly bright guy but I bet I could get ron paul in an interview and make him say things (admit to his core beliefs) and lose him 50% of the people who might have voted for him in one interview..  He would come off like a whackjob just as all libertarians do when pushed.

Just as I would if I answered questions.

lazs

[bsdaddict]

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=42336

In what might be considered a political shocker, presidential candidate Ron Paul’s donations - large and small - have nearly doubled since the South Carolina GOP debate.After the debate, Ron Paul (R-Tex) was declared badly damaged by a seemingly devastating Rudy Giuliani rebut of his controversial foreign policy remarks. The audience cheered Giuliani's remarks, and most commentators during and after the debate gave Giuliani the edge by a significant margin.Yet, observers familiar with the campaign said donations have been rolling into Ron Paul coffers, with an especially enthusiastic response right after the debate. The candidate has also received perhaps 100 donations of $2,300, the maximum allowed, according to these sources.

still small potato's compared to the frontrunners, but RP's message seems to be resonating with some folks...

[lazs2]

Of course he will resonate with some folks!

There are a lot of people out there who feel that the individual is more important than any "society".   We are not that numerous tho.  

There are also a lot of people with the potential to throw away their petty ideas and live and let live but...  to many news shows... too much public school and too much guilt and greed and petty class warfare have been part of their lives...  they will fold when pushed... "you want me to give up what?"

They all envy and most love to tell other people what to do and... most want to get a piece of someone elses pie and not feel guilty about it... they want the government to take it from someone else and give it to them.

lazs

[bsdaddict]

http://www.gambling911.com/Ron-Paul-Odds-053107.html

Representatives from Sportsbook.com agree that the backing of Paul is has been significant enough to shorten odds to what might very well amount to the biggest slashing in online gambling history.

"Ron Paul is a serious contender whose grass roots campaign is growing dramatically," explains Payton O'Brien, Senior Editor of Gambling911.com, one of the world's leading political betting news sources.  "No other single candidate for US President has received the type of interest generated here at Gambling911.com."

prolly doesn't mean much but I think this is cool nonetheless.

Ron Paul '08 or Bust!

[moot]

I'm curious what his interview on the Daily Show will be like.

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by moot
I'm curious what his interview on the Daily Show will be like.

me too.  he was Dennis Miller's radio show yesterday.  Here's the audio from that...  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq2Q848P0h8

[Hap]

Originally posted by Rolex
The candidates and media are acting like the election is this year. Eighteen more months of hot air from politicians and pundits is like torture. What did we ever do to them to deserve this?

Super post, Rolex.  

[moot]

Thanks BSD.

Hap, people oughta be starting to see black cats deja-vu'ing by now...

[Sikboy]

I'm in.

The GOP needs a 3rd tier nobody with a base outside of the current administration. But more importantly, the country could really use a man of Paul's mission and caliber.

(passes the cool-aide)

-Sik

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by Sikboy
I'm in.

The GOP needs a 3rd tier nobody with a base outside of the current administration. But more importantly, the country could really use a man of Paul's mission and caliber.

(passes the cool-aide)

-Sik

that's awesome, SikBoy!    glad you're on our side.  

I just have one thing to ask... (and this goes for everyone here who thinks RP in the White House would be a great thing for America)  PLEASE HELP SPREAD THE WORD.  Even if it's just during a dinner conversation, or while chatting with friends after church or at a ball game.   Ron Paul needs help getting his name and message out there.  WE ARE THE GRASSROOTS SUPPORT RON PAUL IS DEPENDING ON, the media doesn't want him to win and the establishment doesn't want him to win, it's up to us to spread the word and help wake the sheeple up.