Author Topic: Who is Ron Paul? (Read 12484 times)

moot · « **Reply #90 on:** May 22, 2007, 11:21:21 AM »

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I can't wait to see what his answers will be when asked about welfare of the "war on drugs" or open borders.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x21jx7_ron-paul-goes-on-the-offensive-in-a
I haven't watched it yet, but apparently he does in this clip.

Chairboy · « **Reply #91 on:** May 22, 2007, 11:28:23 AM »

Interesting clip, but the PrisonPlanet guys are bozos. The most useful questions came from people _other_ than the guy with the camera.

Toad · « **Reply #92 on:** May 22, 2007, 11:53:27 AM »

The Michigan Republican Chair withdrew his request to ban Paul from future debates.

It got Paul some electronic ink on CBS.

Paul also got some ink on Fox; some pundit pointed out that Paul and the other Libertarians had been absolutely right in their pre-war assessments of post-war Iraq and those bashing Paul's comment were all wrong on their pre-war assesments of the post-war period.

Paul may not win but he is beginning to gain the gravity necessary to get issues to the front of the debates instead of never talking about the really important stuff.

moot · « **Reply #93 on:** May 22, 2007, 12:15:11 PM »

Yep Chairboy.. I don't know if that guy nearest the camera is one of them, but he sounds fanatic.

Lazs, I've thought about it and I disagree that Paul (if not libertarians) sounds too much like an egghead. Too much to win the election beauty pageant, maybe - but that's the same as with the IRS.
The analogy is that just as you couldn't get rid of the IRS overnight, you couldn't have an overnight flush of all the hollywoodish glamour of TV charisma the public has gotten used to. Just like the IRS and illegaly residing for a long time, its already being there is not a good reason for it to stay, because it is wrong.

Politicians should not be emotional-anything, they should just do their job. Holding your hand and reassuring you that what they propose is good should not happen, it's got nothing to do with politics. It is just a crutch. You don't need a crutch if your plan stands on its own.
As long as you satisfy your functions at your job, then you should keep it, right?
Paul seems to fill the criteria quite well, so perhaps if he paired with a virile doppleganger pres- or vice-pres, it would balance out what I do agree, though, is an effective handicap in the beauty pageant aspect of the election.

But valuing photogenics above function needs to go before Paul needs to change some personality trait unconsequential to his function as a politician.

lazs2 · « **Reply #94 on:** May 22, 2007, 03:38:29 PM »

moot... he sounded very much like a career politician on his answers to the drug thing... He dodged it and more or less said that he thought dying people should get to smoke pot (how brave huh?) and that maybe the feds should stay out of it and it should be a state thing... big whup... he may have to give real answers some time and then he is doomed.

He harps on reducing government and everyone but the die hard commies like that.... until their particular ox is gored and then ron becomes satan incarnate... Take away their welfare? how dare he!

I agree with him for the most part but that it not the point.. they point is that he can't even come close to close.

hell... all he talks about is the war... a relatively safe topic compared to the things people really care about...

Who wants to pay less taxes? what, you all do you say? what a shock.

Who wants to have their pet government program cut? what was that? none of you?

He can't win. It is good that he is getting as far as he is tho. It shows that somewhere down the line... we may be more open to his ideas...

It shows the other politicians that maybe they are so bad that they need to reel themselves in before ron paul becomes a viable alternative.

lazs

bsdaddict · « **Reply #95 on:** May 22, 2007, 04:29:25 PM »

Key GOP Group Endorses Ron Paul

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

May 22, 2007

ARLINGTON, VA – The United Republicans of California (UROC) have unanimously endorsed Congressman Ron Paul for president of the United States. UROC, formed in 1963 to support Barry Goldwater, represents the traditional conservative wing of the California Republican Party.

"The unanimous endorsement from the United Republicans of California proves what the campaign has been saying all along," said campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "Ron Paul is the only true conservative and real Republican in the race."

In their official statement endorsing Dr. Paul, UROC called him "the leading advocate for freedom in our nation’s capital" and recognized that:

Ron Paul's voting record demonstrates that he has voted against:

· raising taxes;
· unbalanced budgets;
· a federal restriction on gun ownership;
· raising congressional pay; or
· increasing the power of the executive branch.

His voting record demonstrates further that he voted against:

· the USA Patriot Act;
· regulating the Internet; and
· the war in Iraq.

Dr. Paul is the only candidate with a record that matches the UROC’s platform.

"Whether the issue is life, the Second Amendment, foreign policy, spending or taxes, Ron Paul is the only traditional conservative candidate," continued Snyder. "Traditional conservatives across the country should support Ron Paul for president."

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

PS - what's that lazs, your 20th post on why RP can't win?

Gumbeau · « **Reply #96 on:** May 22, 2007, 04:58:08 PM »

I was flying home from Jamaica yesterday so I was flipping through the HF freqs looking for some good whacko radio to listen to or maybe some good international music.

I found Alex Jones on 9.9800

In case you don't know who this clown is, he makes his money selling New World Order conspiracy.

His radio show is pretty funny unless you take that stuff seriously.

Anyway, in between ads for herbal remedies, survivalist gear and DVD's on how to turn your home into a NBC shelter (Nuclear,Biological, Chemical) we got treated to Ron Paul speeches and press conferences.

Good ole Libertarian Ron Paul is pretty popular with this crowd because he (apparently) believes this stuff too.

He spouted forth about the New World Order, North American Union, and various other conspiracy topics. He did try to keep it pretty low key. He has to know associating with this bunch is suicide for a presidential campaign.

I suspected all along Ron Paul's stances were driven by an agenda he didn't proclaim on his web pages. I was right. He is a New World Order conspiracy theorist.

On a side note, to point out how gullible these folks are, Alex Jones was peddling his new video on this show.

It is called Terror Storm. In the ad he says he proves that Western Governments are behind terror attacks on their own people. 9/11, England...all government jobs.

And how does he prove it?

Using recently declassified government documents of course.

It was hard to fly the plane after that.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #97 on:** May 22, 2007, 10:05:14 PM »

RP just kicked bellybutton on CSPAN. He had the floor for half an hour, I'm sure it'll be on youtube tomorrow. In the meantime, I transcribed his closing and I'd like to share it with ya'll.

"Before the war in the Middle East spreads and becomes a worldwide conflict for which we'll be held responsible, or the liberties of all Americans become so supressed we can no longer resist, much has to be done. Time is short, but out course of action should be clear. Resistance to illegal and unconstitutional usurpations of our rights is required. Each of us must choose which course of action we should take; education, conventional political action or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes.

BUT LET IT NOT BE SAID WE DID NOTHING! Let not those who love the power of the welfare/warfare state label the dissenters of authoritarianism as unpatriotic or uncaring. Patriotism is more closely linked to dissent than it is to conformity in a blind desire for saftey and security. Understanding the magnificant rewards of a free society makes us unbashful in its promotion, fully realizing that maximum wealth is created and the greatest chance for peaces comes from a society respectful of individual liberty.

Madam Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time."

The rest of his speech puts that into context, but IMHO it stands on it's own. I'll post the youtube link when it's available.

AKIron · « **Reply #98 on:** May 22, 2007, 11:10:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Paul may not win but he is beginning to gain the gravity necessary to get issues to the front of the debates instead of never talking about the really important stuff.

I've been wondering for some time how we might grab the attention of our legislature by the proverbial balls and I heard a local guy on talk radio today suggest we put our taxes in escrow. No need to debate with our elected servants but we do need to let them hear our voice and nothing talks louder than money.

moot · « **Reply #99 on:** May 22, 2007, 11:26:04 PM »

Lazs, that's true. Maybe it was for a good reason, he might have shown his true colors or only been sidetracked into a template answer while he juggled with other things on his mind. The only sure way to know if this is a habit of his, and if it's benign or not, is to keep a look out for more or less of it in the future.

In any case he is still a trend (however small at this point) for the better.

Gumbeau, is the NWO really that unreal, is Paul really worse of a politician and candidate than the alternatives because of it, and can you point out the crackpot opinions Paul himself has explicited as his own by word or action rather than what parts of certified crackpots' opinion he shares?

moot · « **Reply #100 on:** May 23, 2007, 03:34:52 AM »

Here's another clip..
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x21x9m_ron-pauls-campaign-stop-in-austin-t

Xargos · « **Reply #101 on:** May 23, 2007, 05:12:12 AM »

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Originally posted by moot
Here's another clip..
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x21x9m_ron-pauls-campaign-stop-in-austin-t

lazs2 · « **Reply #102 on:** May 23, 2007, 08:28:19 AM »

LOL... he is against the WAR!!! how brave is that?

bsd... we all know he is against the war.. thanks for the clips tho.

I tell you what... you think he is on a roll and will just steamroll right on into the oval office on the backs of all the self sufficeint individualists and libertarians out there just waiting to give up the welfare socialist system and open the borders and make it legal to buy heroin at the grocery store for $10 a pound..

I say, like moot, that he is a good influence but.. that is it.

sooo... I never make bets.. it is dumb but... I will bet you.. whatever you want but say... a month or so of AH subscription... that ron paul will not be the republican running for pres in the election... forget win the election... he won't be the republican candidate.

For me this is a win win.. not a real bet... Obviously... he isn't going to make it and I will win that way but... say that gravity is suspended and he gets the republican nomination... That would be great too... I will vote for him.

As it is.. he is doing what libertarians do best... showing up on the strange splinter group stations and trying to not frighten the citizens with real libertarian principles...

At least he got in on the no war bandwagon early with libertarian principles.

lazs

moot · « **Reply #103 on:** May 23, 2007, 11:54:16 AM »

How does he have things so well figured out and keep such a dim charisma? It would be too bad if there wasn't a good running mate to pair him with.. He isn't steamrolling anything with that little presence on his own, outside of debates.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #104 on:** May 23, 2007, 12:09:02 PM »

Here's the link to his speech last night, for those who are interested...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5792391565012624048

I hear ya on the charisma issue, moot. My first thought after watching this speech was "poor delivery, awesome mesage". Not poor in the Bush stumbling over words sort of way, more like it was just unrehersed. It is a sobering realization that, while I can see past the "poor delivery", facts are 95% of my fellow americans won't. Doesn't mean I'll stop supporting him or evangelizing for him, 'cause IMHO we need him.

Lasz, since you brought up wagering I'll make you a bet. Seeing as how RP is the ONLY anti-war Republican, I'll wager 6 months of AH subscription that if RP isn't the GOP's candidate, the Dem will win.