Author Topic: Chambering Semiauto First Shots (Read 2681 times)

Shuffler · « **Reply #90 on:** April 05, 2007, 10:48:16 AM »

the XD45 has the loaded chamber indicator and it also has a pin that protudes slightly in the back if the weapon is cocked. This is handy if operating in low light conditions as you can tell by feel.

This pistol in 5 inch tactical also comes with a carrying case, trim holster with rail, a 2 clip holster with 2 rails, 2 13 rnd clips, and a speed loader.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #91 on:** April 05, 2007, 11:44:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
ah, cc. I know Wolf doesn't mix well with a lot of pistols. I emailed Clay Novak and asked if I should have my feed ramp polished. He said no, I was just considering it for I have had around 8k rounds shot through my USP 45. I am thinking about getting him to install night sights on it though.

I was thinking about that tritium to paint onto the sights of my pt99. They are very hard to see, even during the day time.

Xargos · « **Reply #92 on:** April 05, 2007, 11:50:42 AM »

http://chris.cc/tritium.htm

I have a tritium divers watch and I can't see it in the dark anymore. But it was wonderful for the first few years.

Dago · « **Reply #93 on:** April 05, 2007, 04:31:32 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think the current trend of people who don't shoot much getting the latest and greatest gadget filled semi auto is a good one.

I also think that any attempt to make the gun unable to fire in any way that is more cumbersome than thumbing back the hammer/pressing the trigger is insane. locks? you are kidding.. why not store it at a gun club? Children need to be trained to not touch guns until they are old enough to handle them safely.

If you don't teach this to kids... no lock or bizzare loading drill will keep them from handling the gun in an unsafe manner..

I get the impression that most of you semi auto fans would be slaughtered if you came up against a man with a cap and ball revolver that was loaded. he would have time to thumb back 5 or six shots while you were still trying to find the key to the lock or figure out if you had a mag or... in lasers case.. loading an empty one... or using some kind of prosthetic to load the mag or push back the slide and then figure out which of them tiny little levers you had to move which way to make the damn thing.....

go bang.

lazs

Good old lazs, still hanging on to his revolvers, leisure suits, and drawing water from a creek instead of using them danged newfangled "water faucets".

john9001 · « **Reply #94 on:** April 05, 2007, 04:43:23 PM »

the new fangled 1911 was designed in 1911.

operating steps to fire a double action revolver::

step one> pull trigger.

eagl · « **Reply #95 on:** April 05, 2007, 05:13:49 PM »

My newfangled beretta, steps required to make it go bang -

Remove from holster

Pull trigger *BANG*

The only difference is that follow-on shots are single action and the gun should be de-cocked before putting it back away again. I figure that isn't much of a drawback since if I'm putting it back away, I'm either out of ammo or I'm not in a hurry anymore.

And reloading it is just as fast as a pro 6-gun shootist reloading with a speedloader... Simultaneously grab extra mag with left hand and push the button right under my right thumb. Empty mag falls out as I cram full mag back in. Depress lever just a hair above where my right thumb rests naturally to release the slide.

It's pretty fast and comes just as naturally as reloading a wheelgun.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #96 on:** April 05, 2007, 06:04:38 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I get the impression that most of you semi auto fans would be slaughtered if you came up against a man with a cap and ball revolver that was loaded. he would have time to thumb back 5 or six shots while you were still trying to find the key to the lock or figure out if you had a mag or... in lasers case.. loading an empty one... or using some kind of prosthetic to load the mag or push back the slide and then figure out which of them tiny little levers you had to move which way to make the damn thing.....

go bang.

lazs

I can unload 13 rounds from my USP 45 just as fast as 9 out of a 1911, center mass from 10 yards. I don't NEED a single shot first round, but with the HK that option is available to me. Most shots fired in a shooting scenario are from less than 7 feet Lazs.

Sometimes, it doesn't matter what you are carrying.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #97 on:** April 05, 2007, 08:13:22 PM »

My 1911 holds 14 rounds of 45ACP. I can **** the hammer about as fast as I can bring it to bear. I could carry it cocked and locked if I wanted. IF I had an ambidextrous safety, I might, but I doubt it. The slight risk of something pushing the safety off isn't worth it. If I want a double action first shot, there's always the Sig P-220. If 8 rounds of 45ACP won't get it done, there's a need for a rifle.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #98 on:** April 05, 2007, 08:52:16 PM »

I realize the USP is "inferior". I have a modified Browning action and can carry it c*cked and locked as well. I love it.

Dago · « **Reply #99 on:** April 05, 2007, 10:57:13 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
the new fangled 1911 was designed in 1911.

operating steps to fire a double action revolver::

step one> pull trigger.

News flash - Operating steps to fire a double action semi-auto - one. Operating steps to fire a single action auto - one.

Another bulletin just in - all semi-autos are not 1911s. Not even close.

Halo · « **Reply #100 on:** April 05, 2007, 11:14:08 PM »

(quote) News flash - Operating steps to fire a double action semi-auto - one. Operating steps to fire a single action auto - one. (unquote)

After a cartridge is chambered, right?
Don't have to pull or release a slide to chamber cartridges in revolver.

First, load the handgun (cartridges into magazine or cylinder).

Second, insert the magazine or close the cylinder.

Third, pull back or release the slide or pull the revolver trigger (**** if single action)

Fourth, pull the trigger for first pistol shot or second revolver shot.

Fifth, repeat as necessary for pistol and revolver.

Dago · « **Reply #101 on:** April 05, 2007, 11:23:30 PM »

And revolvers dont need loading? They dont need the cylinder put in place?

Oh, I see, the bullets just magically appear there in line with the barrel.

Lets see, load a semi-auto:
1) Insert Magazine with up to 14 rounds
2) Rack slide
3) Pull trigger against a light single action trigger pull, maybe 4 lbs.

or

Load a revolver:
1) Open the cylinder
2) load 6 rounds one at a time
3) Close cylinder
4) Pull trigger against 12 pound trigger pull.

yeah, that revolver is the way to go alright.

Must be why all the military and virtually every law enforcement department in the world has moved to revolvers? Oh wait, it was semi-autos they all moved to. But heck, what do they know?

Halo · « **Reply #102 on:** April 05, 2007, 11:28:21 PM »

Those pistol magazines are magically preloaded with 14 rounds, huh? Wow!

I much prefer semiautos. But all the bullets have to be loaded one by one in magazine or cylinder (even fast loaders).

And don't forget to take out the magazine to load it.

Dago · « **Reply #103 on:** April 05, 2007, 11:29:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Halo
Those pistol magazines are magically preloaded with 14 rounds, huh? Wow!

That is so weak it is laughable. Is that really the best you can do?

I think you would make more sense if you just accepted reality and admitted you are advancing a losing arguement.

Halo · « **Reply #104 on:** April 05, 2007, 11:34:18 PM »

It's late and I'm going to bed. Go back and reconsider the steps. You really stacked the odds against revolvers.