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« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2007, 11:01:01 AM »
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Ya, that saves me a few times, usually though when I compress...I go big.  :)  Especially in the heavy K4, it thinks it's a 190 when you dip that nose.
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« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2007, 11:05:22 AM »
I fly the A8 the majority of my flights and I've definately changed my style.  I used to enter a dogfight and may chase the enemy down in a spiral or whatever untril we hit 500 feet and its just a who can turn tighter battle.  Now its BnZ.  As much as people hate it its something you have to deal with.  Mainly because the A8 turns like the retired couple in their LeSabre trying to get over to the exit lane 6 miles before the offramp.  

The A8 leaves you with only a few tricks in the bag if something fast and 'turny' is on your six.  If you have ALT, Split S saves you lots of headaches most of the time.  If you don't, you better alt tab out and check the plane comparison and see if your WEP can outrun them.  If not, the Top Gun manuever hasn't failed me yet -> let them get within 600 and maintain dodging bullets, cut eng, full rudder and bank drop flaps around 180 (she'll be shakin' like a Parkinson's patient with ADHD) and watch them fly over the top of you.  If you're lucky and you're able to punch the engine fast enough and have a little speed you can angle that nose up when they fly over you and they can taste your 30mm, if not you may be able to distance yourself were you can do an Immelman.

I used to fly only 109s, but the lack of view in the cockpit pissed me off one day and I took up a 190.  If I'm buff hunting, I used to be worried about the guns on the bombers and being able to land enough accurate hits to take them out.  Now, its can I get all 3 in one pass?
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« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2007, 11:07:51 AM »
Since I've flown the 190, I tend to jerk her a wee bit too hard at times.  If I graphed it out and recorded data I'm sure my spins have increased at least 2-3 fold.
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« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2007, 11:41:26 AM »
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Mainly because the A8 turns like the retired couple in their LeSabre trying to get over to the exit lane 6 miles before the offramp.


give that man a metaphor award!!! :rofl :rofl

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« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2007, 12:09:42 PM »
I like them both, but 109s...K4 in particular, are my babies.:t
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« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2007, 12:21:19 PM »
IMO F-4 and E-4 (to a lesser extent) are better than K-4.


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« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2007, 12:29:54 PM »
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The K4 is a Pony killer. I get a warm feeling inside when I see a co-alt pony when I'm the K4.
Thats so True:aok

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The 109 is complicated, flashy, aggressive, and suited for people who like the hybrid E-smart flying style that lies somewhere between pure TnB and BnZ.
:rofl thats great.


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« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2007, 12:42:27 PM »
190A-8's don't turn that bad as long as you don't go into a continuous turn and you start with some speed.  Not a lot different than a P-47D-40 in my opinion.  In either one just keep them fast and keep the turns to a minimum but don't be afraid to turn a little either.

I mostly disagree with taking 190's over the top in an immelman though.  To do so you've almost got to have some additional speed aquired through a dive.  I usually prefer to invert and use a split S if I have enough alt or take it through a flat turn if I don't.

Due to the roll rates flat scissors are very effective in 190's when trying to escape a faster or better turning opponent.  There's no way they can reverse the scissor with you and pretty soon you find yourself either coming around nose to nose with them or trying to grab the shot as they overshoot.

190's are consistantly my best rides camp after camp (all 4 models but the A8's my favorite) although I've been flying them a little less lately as I've been trying to fly my way through the entire plane-set.

As to this post I've been trying out the 109's this camp for the first time.  I do like the K4, I guess because it feels a little like a 190D9 but I don't like the compression in any of the 109's.  I also like the F4 as a substitute for my old regular ride, the Spit XVI.  Even though the G2 feels good I just can't seem to get it working right for me but I've had moderate success in the G14.  Maybe after I warm up to them a little more I'll change my opinion but I still have to say I prefer the 190's.
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« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2007, 12:54:17 PM »
There are few things in this game more exhilerating than completely outmerging a Spit V or IX in your A8 and blowing them to smithereens as they cross your nose on a 90* deflection :aok

That said, I think Misfit summed up the 190 quite nicely:

"Well, it's a piece of ****, really."

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« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2007, 01:09:16 PM »
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They both fly different, for sure. The 109's have that funny Torque-characteristic that makes them harder to turn right than left(Or is it the other way around???) The E retention is great, though.

The 190's change alot over different mk's. the A5 is really a nimble little plane with the right fuel onboard. The A8, of course, is most likely the most heavily-armed single engine fighter in the game, but it's handling seems to suffer because of it. The Dora is a great plane, Similiar in many respects to the pony, performance-wise. And we can't forget the Ta-152. It's the king speed demon, although that is at a height that very few ever reach in this game, let alone fight there.


Turns well in either directions IF you use that funny torque thingy :lol

Wanna turn right quickly?  reduce throttle just a little and the right wing wants to drop....

a well flown 109 can frequently out turn a pony D.........

It of course depends on the pilots BUT...................

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« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2007, 03:21:04 PM »
109 all the way.  Been my favorite ride for a long time.  Single 30mm nose cannon is more than enough for almost everything.

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« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2007, 03:48:16 PM »
the range of the K4's 30mm sucks you need to be at most 400 off of the enemy con to not wast your ammo spraying at them and thats 400 when their afk , the 30mm sucks for lead shots.


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« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2007, 04:05:02 PM »
Heh, it's worse than that vanscrew!

If you want to hit reliably with 30mm you have to be 200d, not 400!

Historically, vvs, LW, and even RAF pilots held fire until 100 yards or less. Keep that in mind and when you fire you won't miss!

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« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2007, 04:05:27 PM »
compare to 109, 190 is an example of German Over-engineering (TM):)

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« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2007, 04:38:46 PM »
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the 30mm sucks for lead shots.


its not the ammo...
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