Author Topic: Setup for the week starting May 4th: Aleutian (Read 1616 times)

Larry · « **Reply #30 on:** May 04, 2007, 01:05:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Slash27
I'm just going to be greedy and ask for:

Ki-43- multiple variants
Ki-44-multiple variants
Ki-45- was there mutiple variants?
G-4M
A6M-3
A6M-7
JM-2

I know this doesnt really answer you question but I think we would need all of them. I dont see just one of them being the answer.

Yes all of those and the same amount of russian AC needs to be added, but with ToD being '43 bombing raids over Eruope I don't think we'll be seeing them any time soon.

TheBug · « **Reply #31 on:** May 04, 2007, 01:09:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Larry
Look whos talking. All you do is talk trash and can't back it up when you fly. In the little time Iv been back every 880th Iv seen starts fighting at highalt then runs when they loose it.

Larry · « **Reply #32 on:** May 04, 2007, 01:17:28 PM »

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Originally posted by TheBug

Don't worry Im not going anywhere if I can help it.

Soulyss · « **Reply #33 on:** May 04, 2007, 01:22:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Skyfoxx
Don't think you will find a great difference in the 38Es that were in the Aleutians in 42 and the G model here, although I would have to doublecheck.
But I agree, the historical setup can only be a base line especially if you want to keep players. Sure there are some setups that could come pretty darn close historically but it in most cases people would not fly them for obvious reasons.

I am curious though on what the consensus is concerning the most important IJ plane missing is? Personally, I would like to see the Ki-45 or some Ki43 variants.

I think it was E's and F's that were stationed there but I'd have to check as well. It doesn't bother me if they use the G at all. My main point was that the ki-61 did not historically involved (at least to the best of my knowledge) but makes a good addition for the sake of gameplay.

Mister Fork · « **Reply #34 on:** May 04, 2007, 01:24:04 PM »

Skyfox/allmetal - I understand and appreciate your concern for keeping the arena as historical as possible.

Like Slash mentioned - you can see the deficiencies in our current plane set. PERSONALLY, if it was up to me, I would ensure that only historically would be flyable. Our current plane set doesn't allow for that ~ we have to substitute.

During our past maps with rolling plane sets, we often had to sub in Bf109/Bf110 variants to fill the holes (big enough to drive a mac truck through - but that just my one sole opinion). We do have the capability of limiting the #'s by trying to provide a historical situation with what we have.

We can only do with what we have, and do our best. In my opinion, that is exactly what the AvA volunteers do. Also - Do I have to remind any of you again that we ARE volunteers. Calling it 'unhistorical' is not fair, nor is it appreciated because we are trying our best to live up to our motto: To provide the community a historical arena that simulates real WWII air battles. Some of you may be looking the gifted horse in the mouth.

allmetal · « **Reply #35 on:** May 04, 2007, 01:55:28 PM »

well my point i was trying to make before thebug threw his oar in was this....The last PTO setup was basically the same thing....IJN has slower turnier planes,allies have faster non-turning planes.What does that equal?It equals a bunch of the same guys (usually the 880 guys) coming in at 20k to BnZ.When you gewt them slow enough to turn you either get picked off or they run away.Valid tactics for sure.If it was reversed then we would do the same.I don`t know if there are IJN planes that could compete with this at RL.If there was then we need to get them.As it is right nowIMHO and many others will agree,what is the point of running a PTO scenario when the planesets are so unevenly matched?Why would I or anybody else try to fly against stacked odds?Its frustrating to me to try and go against a plane that will 9 times out of 10 run away.The 1 time it stays to fight is because his squadie is higher and coming in for the pick.Again,valid tactics.But why go up against that when I can go else where and get a fair fight.This wasn`t meant to be a flame on the 880 guys like bug thinks.I used them as an example because thats who we usually fly against.He assumed the wrong thing on my first post and went crazy over it.I will apologise for that when he apologises to me for what he has said.

this will be my last post on this subject as it seems to be getting out of hand.

soda72 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 04, 2007, 02:24:47 PM »

I haven't flown the P40E or P38G very much but looking at the "true air speed chart" posted on HTC web page I don't think they have that much of a speed advantage over the Ki61.

TheBug · « **Reply #37 on:** May 04, 2007, 02:34:42 PM »

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Originally posted by allmetal
well my point i was trying to make before thebug threw his oar in was this....The last PTO setup was basically the same thing....IJN has slower turnier planes,allies have faster non-turning planes.What does that equal?It equals a bunch of the same guys (usually the 880 guys) coming in at 20k to BnZ.When you gewt them slow enough to turn you either get picked off or they run away.Valid tactics for sure.If it was reversed then we would do the same.I don`t know if there are IJN planes that could compete with this at RL.If there was then we need to get them.As it is right nowIMHO and many others will agree,what is the point of running a PTO scenario when the planesets are so unevenly matched?Why would I or anybody else try to fly against stacked odds?Its frustrating to me to try and go against a plane that will 9 times out of 10 run away.The 1 time it stays to fight is because his squadie is higher and coming in for the pick.Again,valid tactics.But why go up against that when I can go else where and get a fair fight.This wasn`t meant to be a flame on the 880 guys like bug thinks.I used them as an example because thats who we usually fly against.He assumed the wrong thing on my first post and went crazy over it.I will apologise for that when he apologises to me for what he has said.

this will be my last post on this subject as it seems to be getting out of hand.

You're so full of BS. How do you even bring yourself to type this crap?

Like I told you the first time you chose to start making things up..Just keep your mouth shut, nothing good comes out of it.

Larry · « **Reply #38 on:** May 04, 2007, 03:00:53 PM »

Would you mind enabling AC at ports and Vbases. How it is now the closest land to land bases are about 40-50 miles away.

daddog · « **Reply #39 on:** May 04, 2007, 03:23:12 PM »

The 332nd will be in the AVA tonight. Start time is 11 PM Eastern. We plan to split our numbers about 50/50 unless we have some opposition. Should be a fun time.

allmetal · « **Reply #40 on:** May 04, 2007, 04:44:47 PM »

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Originally posted by TheBug
You're so full of BS. How do you even bring yourself to type this crap?

Like I told you the first time you chose to start making things up..Just keep your mouth shut, nothing good comes out of it.

so no apology then.

kilz · « **Reply #41 on:** May 04, 2007, 06:49:51 PM »

WOW sounds like the AvA has turned into the days of our lifes:D. if i am feeling any better tonight i will jump in for a few rounds

TheBug · « **Reply #42 on:** May 04, 2007, 07:43:26 PM »

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Originally posted by LTARkilz
WOW sounds like the AvA has turned into the days of our lifes:D. if i am feeling any better tonight i will jump in for a few rounds

Networks just re-upped our syndication, or maybe it's just re-runs, not sure.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #43 on:** May 04, 2007, 07:43:42 PM »

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Originally posted by soda72
I haven't flown the P40E or P38G very much but looking at the "true air speed chart" posted on HTC web page I don't think they have that much of a speed advantage over the Ki61.

Not much a speed advantage at all over the Ki-61 but the P-38G can sure outmaneuver the hell out of a Tony.

ack-ack

TheBug · « **Reply #44 on:** May 04, 2007, 07:44:52 PM »

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Originally posted by allmetal

this will be my last post on this subject as it seems to be getting out of hand.

Actually here's your apology..

I'm sorry you have no integrity.