Author Topic: Falwell Dead (Read 3557 times)

AKIron · « **Reply #135 on:** May 20, 2007, 07:20:56 PM »

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I wouldn't ever force anyone to have an abortion, so why should someone else be able to force me not to have one? I actually believe the soul of that child would just wait for another host, and would not be wasted. Would it be right to prevent a crack potato from aborting that child and giving it a chance at a family that would see it well educated and cared for?

While I like your perspective on the larger picture of life I think you may be missing the impact on those who make the decision to end a life for their own convenience.

Chairboy · « **Reply #136 on:** May 20, 2007, 07:25:27 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
While I like your perspective on the larger picture of life I think you may be missing the impact on those who make the decision to end a life for their own convenience.

It seems you're suggesting that your interest in abortion prohibition is designed around punishing the aborter-of-convenience, and has no regard for the 'pregnant by rape' and crack-potato situations.

68Hawk · « **Reply #137 on:** May 20, 2007, 07:47:48 PM »

Lets not get this into abortion too deeply. I was only responding to a specific example. We all know it wouldn't get us anywhere to take it further.

AKIron · « **Reply #138 on:** May 20, 2007, 09:36:32 PM »

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It seems you're suggesting that your interest in abortion prohibition is designed around punishing the aborter-of-convenience, and has no regard for the 'pregnant by rape' and crack-potato situations.

Punishing? I have no interest in punishment. I do believe that the deliberate ending of a human life, even at the fetal stage, has consequences for all of us, especially those who make the choice to do so.

Elfie · « **Reply #139 on:** May 20, 2007, 11:36:23 PM »

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I do believe that the deliberate ending of a human life, even at the fetal stage, has consequences for all of us, especially those who make the choice to do so.

My wife made that choice just before we started dating. That choice still effects her every year on that baby's due date. That was 15+ years ago.

lazs2 · « **Reply #140 on:** May 21, 2007, 09:04:23 AM »

68...MLK was one of the good ones? LOL... if your defenition of a bad preacher is one that is politicized.. MLK was the devil... he was an avowed socialist who would condemn us all to a socialist hell on earth if he could. He was far more of a threat to my way of life than any falwell.

I think that secularism (a belief in nothing) is fine so long as it extends to the political but.. so many secularists have also been commies... secularists often have political agendas.

It is not the religious or the secular that I fear... it is the ones who feel that they have the right to rule me.

lazs

68Hawk · « **Reply #141 on:** May 21, 2007, 03:13:32 PM »

Lazs, again you are confusing terms.

You're looking for the term atheism, which means having no beliefs, or more directly having a lack of a deity in one's religious beliefs. High Buddhism can be considered an atheistic religion.

Secularism is not a religion, and does not actually comment on any religious beliefs. It is a political philosophy of acceptance. Communists are not secularists. Thats even worse than your liberal-socialist conflation.

How so was MLK more dangerous to your way of life than Falwell, unless that danger is to your own intolerance?

MLK argued for civil rights not so much as a minister but as a public figure. Sure he used Christian principles to back that up, but he had better reasons than just to claim the bible said so. He never argued to take the rights of any individuals, and if he did I'd love to see a quote.

I never said ministers can't do good in this world, and that even MLK isn't a debatable figure in some ways, but to compare him on the level of tulips like Falwell insults those who actually use their Christian teachings for good, love and justice.

WWJD to Falwells show? I bet he'd turn the channel.

68Hawk · « **Reply #142 on:** May 21, 2007, 03:15:22 PM »

Elfie, I'm truly sorry to hear that your wife regrets a decision she made once, but that does not mean that the same circumstances or sentiment will carry true for other individuals.

Just because she regrets does not mean that right of choice can be stripped from others.

Elfie · « **Reply #143 on:** May 21, 2007, 08:03:38 PM »

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Elfie, I'm truly sorry to hear that your wife regrets a decision she made once, but that does not mean that the same circumstances or sentiment will carry true for other individuals.

Just because she regrets does not mean that right of choice can be stripped from others.

Actually, from what I understand, her reactions are very similar to what most women experience after having an abortion. It's just not something that is talked about by those who advocate abortion. And it's not something that happens once or twice either, it's an ongoing thing.

DYNAMITE · « **Reply #144 on:** May 21, 2007, 08:32:31 PM »

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Actually, from what I understand, her reactions are very similar to what most women experience after having an abortion. It's just not something that is talked about by those who advocate abortion. And it's not something that happens once or twice either, it's an ongoing thing.

Elfie... you're right in noting that her reaction is not uncommon... but the vast majority of women who undergo this procedure are confident that it was the right choice for them and their families...

I'm attaching a link from The American Association of Pro Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists...

http://www.aaplog.org/postabortion.htm

It notes a rate of about 1.4% of women who experience a syndrome known as PAS (post abortion syndrome)... which happens to be less than the average number of women who experience postpartum depression... It notes that 20% of women who have an abortion experience depression... But that's on par with the national average for depression...

The most compelling stat they list though is that 31% were unsure if they would do it again, I feel that is significant... but then again... that also means 69% would make that same choice - and that it's reasonable to assume that some of that 31% would ultimately chose to repeat it again.

An unplanned pregnancy is an amazingly stressful event that will effect many people in many different ways...

All I can say for sure is that I am sorry for any pain your wife is experiencing. In all sincerity... I mean that.

<~~> Elfie for your thoughtful posts.~~

AKIron · « **Reply #145 on:** May 21, 2007, 09:34:11 PM »

I'm wondering how many of you who seem to despise Jerry Falwell so much actually listened to more than a sound bite or two or read about something he said without even considering whether it was taken out of context. You needn't answer me, just something consider.

68Hawk · « **Reply #146 on:** May 21, 2007, 09:39:38 PM »

A good something to consider Iron. Still, even in context he is very good at putting his foot in his mouth.

BTW · « **Reply #147 on:** May 23, 2007, 06:52:52 PM »

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A good something to consider Iron. Still, even in context he is very good at putting his foot in his mouth.

In thousands of hours of sermons? Think about talking to or at people for THOUSANDS of hours. You would have to be reasonably stable and interesting. Thousands of hours of sermons. Thats something hard to dismiss.

Mr No Name · « **Reply #148 on:** May 24, 2007, 01:22:39 PM »

BTW... I agree with you, he is just determined to have nasty things to say.

68Hawk · « **Reply #149 on:** May 24, 2007, 03:45:11 PM »

If you think this is taken out of context, your damn wrong. I've seen the wider video too, which used to be more readily available.

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The video won't link right (damn CNN). Follow this link to the news story and click the 'watch Falwell blame pagans' link in the text near the bottom.
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Anyone who blames 9/11 on such a wide swath of Americans just because they disagree with their 'lifestyles' is certainly a fool, probably an idiot and possibly just plain feeding you a line of crap to get you pissed off.

What a joke of a human being.