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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2007, 06:40:42 PM »
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Rank means squat.

No, I take that back. Rank means you game the game, fly as timidly as possible with as many wingmen as possible, run the second the enemy might be able to turn from you, and you milk-run in the EWA and MWA to get a better ranking. Then you score exclusively in "attack" mode after you die once so as not to ruin your chance at the #1 rank.


So, rank means a lot, the lower it gets, but it actually doesn't mean you're an "ace".


INteresting response. Rank being low means you score hore.
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« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2007, 06:42:15 PM »
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Yep fly with dextur and Axer they are true aces!


:rofl :rofl :rofl  they both suck, AXER sr is good but his kids cant fight out of a wet paper bag.
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« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2007, 06:55:13 PM »
There are some really good sticks in here, whom I wouldn't like to meet head to head. I've lost to Shane, Furball, Schatzi, Redd, Wmaker, Sasmox, Oldman, Slash27, actually most of the people in AH. I would be dead, weren't it for AH2. Salute, HTC!
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« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2007, 07:08:13 PM »
no true def i dont believe myself to be an ace and i have kill streaks in some planes in the 30's so....:cool:
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« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2007, 07:27:49 PM »
Fighter Rank in and of itself a  poor measuring tool because by its very nature, it's relativistic. However, the components that comprise fighter rank are absolutes and do have some comparative relevance. That is to say Hit %, K/T, K/D and K/S do indicate the prescence of aptitudes in specific areas that are key components of aggregate talent in fighters. Of course there is no measure for one key component and that is raw flying ability, that is unquantifiable, very subjective and situational.

So, to define an Ace, you really have to qualify that with, Ace of what..? Very few people, I can think of only 2 or 3 I've ever known in 17 years of this, can pick up any plane out of the hanger, fly it in any style and be equally successful in it. By that I mean there are Aces, there are TnB Aces, there are E fighting Aces, there are snipers, there are those with great flying skill but awefull aim, or people with great aim and flying ability but piss poor SA etc.

Humans will tend to, after sufficient experience, cultivate the self-awareness to figure out what aptitudes and weaknesses they have and fly in a fashion that maximizes those aptitudes while at the same time minimizing their weaknesses. In my personal opinion those are the Aces.

If you want a pure definition, an Ace is a pilot who flies in such a way as to maximize the effectiveness in combat of both his own aptitudes and his chosen plane's strengths while at the same time minimizing his own weaknesses and the strengths of his opponent and his aircraft. Someone who can consistantly accomplish that flight after flight, encounter after encounter is an unqualified Ace regardless of what particular area(s) he excels.

Naturally, in the game there are certain activities that can statistically perpetuate the illusion of Ace-dom without actually possessing the reality of it, vulching, 262 and 163 buff farming missions and more clandestine methods involving other  accounts for example. This is the biggest reason Rank in and of itself or any sub-stat of which looked at in isolation or out of context is not particularly meaningfull. But, blatant padding  notwithstanding the core attributes that comprise fighter rank, not the fighter rank itself are, if nothing else, fairly pure indicators of pilot aptitude in a given area. Taken as a sum total they do tell a story and combined with the correct plane to accentuate those proclivities  do end up becoming, to a certain degree, a measure of that  person's overall effectiveness in the MA with a fighter.

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« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2007, 07:34:53 PM »
If you don't go into hysterical fits every time you get shot down, you're an ACE in my book.  :aok
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« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2007, 07:57:44 PM »
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INteresting response. Rank being low means you score hore.


<--score hore,i dont know how's it still so low...



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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2007, 06:31:11 AM »
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If you don't go into hysterical fits every time you get shot down, you're an ACE in my book.  :aok


LOL :rofl
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« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2007, 06:58:14 AM »
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I consider anyone with rank 200 or better an ace.


I like sarcasm as well.   :aok
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« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2007, 08:12:18 AM »
A ace is when u can kill lw planes with ew planes with ease in the LWA, hehehehe.
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« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2007, 08:12:45 AM »
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Actually in the case of landing 12 in a 202 there was no vulching, all of it was fair. In the case of the 205 I think only 2-3 were vulched, the rest were fair.

I've done runs of 13 in a 190 before, but they were mostly all vulches :D :D :D (which is why I didn't list 'em)

Bahhhh!  Krusty, I'm betting that you wouldn't last 10 seconds after merge in a duel of 202's with the big dogs!  I think I could pick most any of my squaddies and you would get beach slapped in the 202 or th3 205!  I'm guessing that co-alt co-E would be "fair".......right??:aok


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« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2007, 08:14:00 AM »
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Bahhhh!  Krusty, I'm betting that you wouldn't last 10 seconds after merge in a duel of 202's with the big dogs!  I think I could pick most any of my squaddies and you would get beach slapped in the 202 or th3 205!  I'm guessing that co-alt co-E would be "fair".......right??:aok


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Heck, I bet Jrdogg could take him.
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« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2007, 02:03:09 PM »
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Heck, I bet Jrdogg could take him.
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« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2007, 02:46:04 PM »
wats rank?:confused:
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« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2007, 02:51:30 PM »
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I consider anyone with rank 200 or better an ace.


hehe I shot down a guy who's an "ace" twice in a row in my A-20 (he was spitXVI). I dont think "ace" is appropriate but there are a bunch of guys who are consistantly mentioned across many "best in" "best sticks" "best fights" etc. Those relative few stand above the rest of us based on that almost universal measure of respect. Few of those guys are ever in the top 200 BTW....

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