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« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2007, 07:16:57 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: July 02, 2007, 08:24:41 PM »
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I ride a 250 ninja I have setup for cheapass touring. It works pretty well for me and I can't afford anything else anyway.
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I don't know anything about your skill level. However, you are coming off a sub 300lb ~20hp bike. You may or may not be ready to jump up to a 500+lb 80+hp. You may want consider something more intermediate weight and power wise.


Nice example of modifying for light duty touring.  The V-Strom is also a good recommendation, if adventure touring (dirt roads and easy jeep trails) is an option.  Dual sports like the V-Strom make great commuter bikes too, as you look over most traffic, or sit high enough for good visibility.

OH, Black Helmets.  I will never, never, never ever own a black motorcycle helmet ever again.  Crossing a helmet-law state in triple digit temperatures is bad enough if the sun isn't turning your helmet into a rotisserie cooker.  
Similar goes for riding jacket:  I've got one black textile jacket for the Hammer, but my touring jackets are a lightweight GRAY Hein Gericke for hot weather riding, and a hivis Blue Aerostich for Spring and Fall touring --- but then, I'm out west and crossing deserts on sunny summer days plays into it.

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« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2007, 09:52:04 PM »
Best of both worlds? A naked bike. I like the tech specs and it has a bit of touring and cruiser looks to it - lowest seat height and not too powerful or heavy. Dealer in town. 2 yr warranty. Any comments about this? Anyone ridden?

Ducati Monster 695

http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/my2007/ModelPage.jhtml?family=Monster&model=M695-07

It's alot like the BMW 650 GS - Don't know about pricing on the two.
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« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2007, 01:08:31 AM »
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« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2007, 12:57:46 PM »
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Best of both worlds? A naked bike. I like the tech specs and it has a bit of touring and cruiser looks to it - lowest seat height and not too powerful or heavy. Dealer in town. 2 yr warranty. Any comments about this? Anyone ridden?

Ducati Monster 695

http://www.ducati.com/en/bikes/my2007/ModelPage.jhtml?family=Monster&model=M695-07

It's alot like the BMW 650 GS - Don't know about pricing on the two.



Ducati Monster 695 I've ridden the Monster at a test ride event.  Again, I'd have to bring the bars way back and up to own one comfortable --- drag style handlebars are the worse, IMNSHO!  Pretty sure that handlebar changes on Duc will mean changing out connections for throttle and clutch as well --- I don't remember a lot of slack available, but you'd have to check with Monster owners to be sure, if you wanted to change seating position.
Fun bike.  Some folks swear by Monsters and, like the Bandits, have been around a long time to gain a cult following.  In fact, most "Ducks" have a pretty loyal following among their owners.

BWM F 650 GS "Funduro"  - Adventure bikes - you either love them or hate them.  They make great commuter bikes, and much fun on unimproved roads.  Not exactly meant for true off-road use.  Also, I've never tried riding one for LONG distances (500 mile day on a vacation trip), and not sure how many miles most folks can put in the saddle on one of those before getting a serious case of monkey-butt.  You'd have to talk to a Adventure or dual bike owner.  I'm not so sure I'd like to spend a lot of hiway miles on a F 650 GS.  

And, I really can't say as I'd compare the Monster to a Funduro.  Monster is a nekkid street fighter close to the "standard" motorcycle concept, the Funduro is an adventure dual sport.

Unless you intend to run dirt roads A LOT (not sure what part of Tenn you in), the safer bet would probably be the Duck to hardball running.
In either case, having a good dealer in your area can be very important, especially if you are not up to major maintenance on the bike yourself.

That said, Monster is a good mid-level bike.  Easier converted to light duty touring use.  Been around long enough to develop a good aftermarket line of goodies for the bikes (larger windscreen, wrist rest, heated grips, luggage rack, top truck, saddlebag and pillon bag luggage options, tank bag, aftermarket seats....) to set it up just the way you want it to be.  Decently small, light and nimble for commuter use.  Has a decent amount of power.  Not sure how much the alternator puts out to handle add ons, but I'm sure there are some User Group sites on the web you can search for answers or ask questions.

With good riding gear --- armor padded leathers if you plane track days or vented armor padded textiles if you plane long trips and don't want to carry additional rain gear --- you will be able to run some pretty long trips in comfort.


Additional riding tips: A couple long distance rider tricks to be comfortable in the saddle:  

Beaded seat cover --- know the tacky beaded seat covers for cars?  Well they make them for bikes too.... very nice to have on very hot days as it gets air under your butt.  You can attach them with straps, or velcro, or just lay them on the seat and let your body weight keep them on.  Should have a small cloth between them and seat to protect the seat cover if used a lot (or seat gets visible "dimples".

Back support.  Typical wrap around your waist back support -- the kind you see manual labor or stock personnel using --- can help prevent lower back problems on long trips.

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« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2007, 03:58:45 PM »
I think the downside to touring on the ducati monster would be lack of wind (and rain) protection. There is no faring or windscreen to speakof. Which is why I mentioned the multistrada. Same basic engine, but a more touring friendly design.

Whatever you do buy you'll probibly end up customizing it some anyway, so that may not matter after all.

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« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2007, 07:30:50 PM »
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I think the downside to touring on the ducati monster would be lack of wind (and rain) protection. There is no faring or windscreen to speak of. Which is why I mentioned the multistrada. Same basic engine, but a more touring friendly design.

Whatever you do buy you'll probibly end up customizing it some anyway, so that may not matter after all.


One of the advantages of the Monster though, it's been around long enough to address that issue with after-market providers.  I know there are some small headlight fairings available to Monsters..... getting one with a decent enough and functional windscreen will be the trick, and painting it to match the bike of course.  And, since it's a Duck, probably not very cheap.  Multistrada is probably better for light duty touring and needs less add ons... but it's a unique look --- some like, some don't, and still a Duc = so pricey.

If costs are a factor, I'd still steer him toward a Bandit or SV.  MultiStrada comes in there with them as to abilities, but Bandit and SV been around longer, and he was looking for used, and the Suzukis have a much more established after-market.  

I like the abilities of the 'Strada..... I just can't get used to the look of the fairing from the front.

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« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2007, 07:45:05 PM »
Hayabusa, mmmm....


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« Reply #53 on: July 04, 2007, 12:33:00 AM »
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Hayabusa, mmmm....


Bah!  What good it a super sport race replica you can't get insurance for/can't afford insurance for, and have no where but a rented track you can really open it up on?  Most 'Busa's are just used as an expensive form of unintentional suicide.

600 to 900cc sport bikes are far lighter, more nimble, and much more fun anyways, in pure ricky racer mode.
Certainly not either a touring platform nor a cruiser.

Now, for big displacement AND touring.....
The new "Connie";  Kawasaki Concours 14

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« Reply #54 on: July 04, 2007, 10:13:02 AM »
Ted,

I like the Concours and almost bought one last winter. If the ergonomics had been just a tad better for me personally I would have. Having said all that, I'd put my 04 R1150RT against the new Concours any day, but it would be a really really long competition.;) They are both great touring machines.

The 06 and earlier version of the Concours had a very tried and true powerplant. To me it was about as bullet proof as any of the BMW mills including the boxer and it's varients.
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« Reply #55 on: July 04, 2007, 01:22:44 PM »
I've ridden the older Concours.  Nice, comparatively low cost to other Sport Tourers, but the brand was showing it's age, similar to the older Honda ST's.
Got a new Honda ST in 2003 when they came out.  Overall it was a good bike, but dealer support was spotty, and the Honda's engine heat problem was a major PITA on some trips.  I sold the ST, and got a good price for it too, and am looking to buy the new Kawasaki Concours.... but I'm going to wait till next year.
I want to see if there are any major problems with the bike from other riders first.

Most bikes have some problems.  ST's had heat problems.  BMW LT's had failing rear shaft/hub splines.  Other BMW's had the flat spot in power curve and hesitation on power on.  Some older Wings had the engines cooking the stators ....and not easy to get to to replace.  Old Yamaha Venture Royales had the problem with gear indicator failing, which locked out the starter sequence......and really not easy to get to to replace correctly.  Triumphs and their electrical problems......

I want to see if there is anything major in the new Connie before I commit.  I'll just run the Hammer for now.  Local dealer supposed to be getting in his new Connies in a month, so I get to see one in person and sit on it.  

For a Sport Touring Rig for me these days, it HAS to have a power adjustable windshield (been spoiled by owning ST1300 and riding BMW RT and LT's), enough alternator output to handle the extras (iPod, radio, heated vest and handgrip hookups, charge cell phone....), hard lockable luggage, as well as plenty of engine power and comfort.  Everything about the new Connie says it's a lighter, more powerful, more nimble version of my (now gone) ST1300.  If there are no reported problems, and heat management is better than the ST, I'm sold.

Only reason I shy away from the Beemers is spotty dealer support if something is over my head, price of parts (especially with today's exchange rates), and IIRC, they still use Bosch electronics.... and Bosch quality control has been inconsistently bad for years now (I know a few Master Mechanics who cuss and swear about Bosch often and loudly).

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« Reply #56 on: July 04, 2007, 04:27:09 PM »
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Most bikes have some problems. ST's had heat problems. BMW LT's had failing rear shaft/hub splines. Other BMW's had the flat spot in power curve and hesitation on power on. Some older Wings had the engines cooking the stators ....and not easy to get to to replace. Old Yamaha Venture Royales had the problem with gear indicator failing, which locked out the starter sequence......and really not easy to get to to replace correctly. Triumphs and their electrical problems......


Know just what ya mean...the rubber pad thingie on the kick starter fell off of mine....had to replace the external generator a couple years ago (had to use flashlight batteries taped together to get home )--notice the ingenious neutral indicator:D
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« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2007, 07:35:02 PM »
If you don't mind a cruiser look at the Suzuki C90. Fuel injected,drive shaft and can be had for $8500 as a leftover now. I ride an '05 and love it. I have saddlebags and a tourpack for the sissybar for my week long trips. My wife is 5' 2" and can ride my bike with ease.

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« Reply #58 on: July 05, 2007, 02:13:37 AM »
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Know just what ya mean...the rubber pad thingie on the kick starter fell off of mine....had to replace the external generator a couple years ago (had to use flashlight batteries taped together to get home )--notice the ingenious neutral indicator:D

Dang!  An original Suicide Shifter?  I've actually seen some later retrofitted Hogs with suicide shifters added (by the tank, although one was down by where the passenger foot peg would have been --- guy had to reach down and back to shift.....).   Guess they are making a comeback?  Nice bike bj229r.
Kickstart?!  I haven't had a bike with kick start for 15 years or more.  My Hammer is 1634cc's.... it'd take three of us jumping up and down to kick it over --- almost as bad as trying to kick start a Boss Hoss.  

"Flashlight batteries taped together to get home" -- adventures in motorcycling.  Flat tire repairs along side the road.  Power shifting home after clutch cable breaks.  Bypassing blown fuses.  Blown headlights.  Zip ties in place for bolts that have worked loose and fallen off.  1,001 used for 100mph tape.  Fouling spark plugs.  

Fun.

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« Reply #59 on: July 05, 2007, 01:31:50 PM »
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Softtails are too big for my height and weight - unless it is severely lowered - I have ridden both and even a Shadow 750. But for some reason the BMW 1100 or 1200 fits right, as well as the smaller 883 Harleys.

I'm just not sure how much long distance I'll get to do.


Softails too big for hieght?  How short are you????

Softails were built with seats 26-28 inches off the floor! (26 fully fueled)  Same as the Sportster!  The problem you may be running into is "width".  That "width" is nice on long rides btw.  Most tall guys over 6' don't like the Softails because of the short porch on them.

 I Have 28" legs and my Softail fits them rather nicely!   If you throw a Corbin/Mustang/Lepara low profile seat on it, you can get it down an inch or two without lowering it. (I went with a Corbin)

Now if you sat on the puffy pillow seat that is the 07 Softail Custom,  totally different story.  That damn seat just bugs me.  Told the dealer I wouldn't buy the custom unless the dealer took that damn pillow case off the bike and put a Corbin on it.

If you want to cruise...a Softail, Duece or Dyna will do ya.  The 883 is a nice "sporty" bike, but its gonna get blown around on the road.  The Sporty weighs in at 557 lbs while the Softail comes in at 621.    That extra 60-70 lbs really helps with the side blasts of semi's.

As for the Beemers...cant say how they ride, but the DO look nice.  Rode with a guy on a BMW, we joked that there was a button on it for rear wings to pop up so he could take off.  ;-)    As for getting on and off a BMW 1100/1200 good luck.   I tried on at a bike show....I had to JUMP up to get into the saddle....dismount was equally difficult.  Those things have a 32inch seat height!!!!

Good luck with you search....hope you find what fits ya!!!

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