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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2007, 08:34:05 PM »
I'm sure you know Boroda that the US asked/insisted that upon their surrender the Japanese people no longer view their emperor as God. Just a reflection, not an argument.
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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2007, 08:38:53 PM »
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down to the last little kid holding a pointy stick in defense.


You mean - in Southern islands, in US occupation zone? Not in Hokkaido that was supposed to be occupied by the USSR. Russians usually don't genocide their enemies like you guys eliminated Indians. That's why we suffer sometimes, but it's more fun to live in a truly multi-cultural country with autonomies for Muslims, Jews and Buddhists.

It's very funny to hear that burning Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved Hokkaido from Soviet occupation and that's why it was justified. Absolutely insane.

Where are our Japanese comrades? We are reasoning here while we have to listen to them first...
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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2007, 08:45:16 PM »
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I'm sure you know Boroda that the US asked/insisted that upon their surrender the Japanese people no longer view their emperor as God. Just a reflection, not an argument.


You speak about time AFTER capitulation. An adress on Aug 15th was played on the radio from a record because they couldn't hear Emperor's voice.

I want to find this http://imdb.com/title/tt0439817/ movie somewhere, but you know, public prefers "die hard 4" or "jaws 19" :( so i can't find a modern Russian film in Russia :(
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2007, 08:49:44 PM »
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You speak about time AFTER capitulation. An adress on Aug 15th was played on the radio from a record because they couldn't hear Emperor's voice.

I want to find this http://imdb.com/title/tt0439817/ movie somewhere, but you know, public prefers "die hard 4" or "jaws 19" :( so i can't find a modern Russian film in Russia :(


I'm old and getting older. I work with and around younger people now. I find it amusing how little they know of the details of the past as no doubt did my elders about me.
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2007, 08:59:35 PM »
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You mean - in Southern islands, in US occupation zone? Not in Hokkaido that was supposed to be occupied by the USSR. Russians usually don't genocide their enemies like you guys eliminated Indians. That's why we suffer sometimes, but it's more fun to live in a truly multi-cultural country with autonomies for Muslims, Jews and Buddhists.

It's very funny to hear that burning Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved Hokkaido from Soviet occupation and that's why it was justified. Absolutely insane.

Where are our Japanese comrades? We are reasoning here while we have to listen to them first...


You're not getting it.  Japan would only capitulate defeat when the last japanese person died.  

That is why the bombs were dropped.
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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2007, 09:05:52 PM »
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You're not getting it.  Japan would only capitulate defeat when the last japanese person died.  

That is why the bombs were dropped.


Well, Japan proclaimed this anyhow to preserve their perspective/illusion of honor. The reality proved they were willing to survive if we gave them no prospect of winning that was clear to all.
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2007, 09:06:41 PM »
No, it was because of great Soviet Red Army, Comrade! Not even puny capitalist atomics scare glorious Red Army!

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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2007, 09:06:41 PM »
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I'm old and getting older. I work with and around younger people now. I find it amusing how little they know of the details of the past as no doubt did my elders about me.


I am "only" 34, and I agree with every word you wrote.

People born here in USSR after 1980 Olympics are mental aliens. I am much more tolerant to elder people because my Father was born in 1926, he learned to read under kerosene lamp and now we communicate via ICQ...
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2007, 09:15:05 PM »
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No, it was because of great Soviet Red Army, Comrade! Not even puny capitalist atomics scare glorious Red Army!

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According to American attack plans from the 50s - Soviet Army could capture all continental Europe, Middle East and Mediterranian coast regardless to American nuclear weapons. Plans included burning Soviet population centers killing at least 10 million people in a first week. Soviet goals could be reached in no more then six months since hostilities began.

Think about it. Plain artillery and bayonets, no nukes.

I am happy it never happened.

As for Japan - again, Hirohito mentioned Soviet "interference" in Manchuria as a main reason for surrender, not the Bomb.
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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2007, 09:16:41 PM »
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According to American attack plans from the 50s - Soviet Army could capture all continental Europe, Middle East and Mediterranian coast regardless to American nuclear weapons. Plans included burning Soviet population centers killing at least 10 million people in a first week. Soviet goals could be reached in no more then six months since hostilities began.

Think about it. Plain artillery and bayonets, no nukes.

I am happy it never happened.

As for Japan - again, Hirohito mentioned Soviet "interference" in Manchuria as a main reason for surrender, not the Bomb.


They didn't count on the WOLVERINES!!!!!
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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2007, 09:19:02 PM »
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Well, Japan proclaimed this anyhow to preserve their perspective/illusion of honor. The reality proved they were willing to survive if we gave them no prospect of winning that was clear to all.


German leadership also proclaimed similar things. But you can's stop seasons from changing.
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« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2007, 11:16:34 PM »
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He was probably partially blind not to see Soviet representatives on board of Missouri in Tokyo Bay.

Japanese continental army was defeated by USSR in 2 weeks, [sarcasm] while you guys spent three years crawling upon some useless god-forgotten islands. [/sarcasm] Try to find Hirohito's adress to the nation that was played on the radio on Aug 15th 1945.

JFYI: Germans surrendered to Allied forces on May 9th, and Keitel was really surprised to see French officers there, saying "What the hell are THEY doing here?!" According to your logics - Germans surrendered to USSR, not to the Allies.


     I'm not sure what your sarcasm is supposed to denote, but if you're
claiming the USSR beat the Japanese you're smoking the good stuff.
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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2007, 11:59:59 PM »
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He was probably partially blind not to see Soviet representatives on board of Missouri in Tokyo Bay.

Japanese continental army was defeated by USSR in 2 weeks, [sarcasm] while you guys spent three years crawling upon some useless god-forgotten islands. [/sarcasm] Try to find Hirohito's adress to the nation that was played on the radio on Aug 15th 1945.

JFYI: Germans surrendered to Allied forces on May 9th, and Keitel was really surprised to see French officers there, saying "What the hell are THEY doing here?!" According to your logics - Germans surrendered to USSR, not to the Allies.


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« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2007, 12:15:13 AM »
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And then exactly 3 months after Victory in Europe USSR smashed Japanese continental (Kwantun) army with full strength of veteran troops who marched all the way from Volga to Vienna.


What was the Japanese Army doing in Vienna? Vienna is in Europe the last time I checked. ;)
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« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2007, 12:23:02 AM »
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Read Hirohito's adress and then please make conclusions. Bombs were scary but not vital. It's obvious that Bombs were dropped to scare Stalin and keep him from wiping Western "allies" off the European continent in 1945 in a matter of weeks.


the russians were too drunk to invade anything.
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