ACLU likes SOME religions....

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Silat
Yes we will fight that. I dont want any religion in the public square. We moderates have been telling you religious types this for years. But no, you wanted Jesus in the public square. We warned you that it would come back to bite you. Now here it is and you are pissed. We were right and you were wrong.

Well said Zilat.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Silat
What does this have to do with the ACLU? The ACLU doesnt do anything but fight for constitutional issues. And that is non partisan. You really need to read more. When this becomes a legal constitutional issue and they have the $ and time they will get involved. Donate and help them keep ALL religion out of the public square.
The rightwingChristianrepublicOn party wants Christianity everywhere and now you are upset when the Muslims are doing the same? Hypocrisy! We warned you but you wouldnt listen. You have got what you asked for.

On matters of the ACLU, you and I disagree Lew.

Tried to get the ACLU to fight the seat belt law.

The attorny agreed that the seatbelt law was unconstitutional.  

That FORCING someone to wear a seat belt was WRONG!

BUT....

there was NO money in fighting it and it was a popular law sooooooo............

sorry ACLU was just NOT interested.

As to defending the 2nd amendment, NO WAY, NO HOW, NEVER!

IMHO the ACLU can and often IS very selective as to what they will take, or what right they will defend.

As I SEEM to recall the ACLU was founded by a DEVOUTED Communist?  That person had even spent considerable time in the Soviet Union before returning and forming the ACLU?

So we disagree on the ACLU.

Not saying they haven't done some good from time to time.

BUT not giving them, or anyone else if possible, my money to even possibly undermine my rights.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Silat
Yes we will fight that. I dont want any religion in the public square. We moderates have been telling you religious types this for years. But no, you wanted Jesus in the public square. We warned you that it would come back to bite you. Now here it is and you are pissed. We were right and you were wrong.

That's fine (I can't lay claim to being a 'religious type'---I have spent more time in the presence of men-of-the-cloth  during weddings and funerals than anything else in my life...That being said, I don't think the Ten Commandments threatens my freedom) Just be CONSISTENT--We have a mosque in Detroit suburbs that blares out calls to prayer...4? times a day--can be heard for a good mile, we are putting foot baths in airports for Muslim cab drivers....the list goes on. But none of the brave anti Jesus crusaders has dared thus far to raise a peep about the religion of peace, and its attempts to bend our culture to suit it. I'd LOVE to see a Robin Williams skit going off on a imam and his Quran...I somehow doubt that will happen...lets talk about pedophile priests again, that's groundbreaking, Robin

[lazs2]

yep.. the aclu is an organization with an agenda.. they dislike christians and guns and like big government telling people what is good for em.  

They give weak excuses on the seatbelt and helmet law saying the people like em... What????? the people like something unconstitutional so they will just quietly ignore it?  They most certainly don't use that standard on other issues.

They are liars and hypocrites... They have a socialist agenda and only defend constitutional rights that protect left wing ideals...  they are not honest about their agenda.

While I am happy that they defend any constitutional right...  It is rare that they do me any good and their ultimate goal is not mine in the least.

I would love to see a group that really did defend all constitutional rights.  Not just ones that benifieted the left or the right.

lazs

[Toad]

Originally posted by Chairboy
So, under a voucher system, your tax dollars could be used to fund a Madrasah.  


Interesting.

At Carver Elementary, your tax dollars already fund a madrasah!  

[Toad]

Originally posted by bj229r
We have a mosque in Detroit suburbs that blares out calls to prayer...4? times a day--can be heard for a good mile, we are putting foot baths in airports for Muslim cab drivers....the list goes on. But none of the brave anti Jesus crusaders has dared thus far to raise a peep about the religion of peace, and its attempts to bend our culture to suit it.

Spot on, Old Chap. Quite right.

[lazs2]

chairboy.. my tax dollars are already funding a zillion things I don't like including public schools...

I say that if they fund better educated kids... ones who test better then let the parents decide what else is taught.  none of your business.

Let them get the best education possible.  If there was a muslim school I doubt I would be sending my grand daughter to it.  You don't have to send yours to a catholic school.  

But.. they way it is.. only those rich enough or willing to make a sacrafice can get their kids out of public school hell.  there is no choice at all.

Why is it that you liberals want choice in things you want choice of but don't want to give others any choice at all?

I am sick of both sides trying to run my life and telling me what is best for me.

lazs

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by McFarland
I was referring to the irony of the situation.  

So was I.

[McFarland]

Originally posted by lazs2
chairboy.. my tax dollars are already funding a zillion things I don't like including public schools...

I say that if they fund better educated kids... ones who test better then let the parents decide what else is taught.  none of your business.

Let them get the best education possible.  If there was a muslim school I doubt I would be sending my grand daughter to it.  You don't have to send yours to a catholic school.  

But.. they way it is.. only those rich enough or willing to make a sacrafice can get their kids out of public school hell.  there is no choice at all.

Why is it that you liberals want choice in things you want choice of but don't want to give others any choice at all?

I am sick of both sides trying to run my life and telling me what is best for me.

lazs

There is nothing wrong with public schools. The kids there get just as good an education as at a private school, even better. Because at the public schools, you have to teach yourself at times. Which is better for you. I taught meself many things in the areas of science, and I understand those concepts better than the people who had it all taught to them. At private schools, they teach it to you, and you don't learn it. Just because the test scores are higher doesn't mean it's a better school. You will learn better if you teach yourself. Having someone else teach you, you just memorize facts, you don't learn the concepts behind them. And in public schools, you have a greater diversity of students. You learn how to deal with other types of people, instead of being exposed to one set of ideals. And as far as religion and govment being together, it would do us good. The ideals taught in Christianity are good. DON'T kill. DON'T steal. DON'T lie. Respect your parents. I don't see anything wrong with these. I do see something wrong with suicide bombers, murderers, thiefs, and letting such people go free.

[lazs2]

mcfarland... you are talking about one little tiny corner of farmcountry.   There  is indeed plenty wrong with the vast majority of public schools and you do indeed get a better education in private schools nationwide.

you are of course welcome to go to public school under a voucher system... I am even willing to pay the extra that all the socialist and union crap raises the cost of public school (in comparison to private).

what do you have against giving people a choice if they can get an equal or better education?   I know what the liberal democrats have against it... they feel that state run schools are important in indoctrinizing the young and.. they are whoring out to the teachers union...  

others feel that choice is better.

lazs

[Silat]

Originally posted by Toad
Spot on, Old Chap. Quite right.

Once again Ill explain this to you. You wanted Jesus in the public square and were warned where it would end up. But you were/are the majority so you turned a blind eye to those of us who were fighting religion being in the public square. You called us whiners. Now who is whining?
Now you have other religions wanting to be in the same public square.
You got your wish.
Now maybe you see why no religion should be in the public square?

[Silat]

Originally posted by lazs2
yep.. the aclu is an organization with an agenda.. they dislike christians and guns and like big government telling people what is good for em.  

They give weak excuses on the seatbelt and helmet law saying the people like em... What????? the people like something unconstitutional so they will just quietly ignore it?  They most certainly don't use that standard on other issues.

They are liars and hypocrites... They have a socialist agenda and only defend constitutional rights that protect left wing ideals...  they are not honest about their agenda.

While I am happy that they defend any constitutional right...  It is rare that they do me any good and their ultimate goal is not mine in the least.

I would love to see a group that really did defend all constitutional rights.  Not just ones that benifieted the left or the right.

lazs

Not true. But good Oxyrush talking points..

[Silat]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Did you watch the video of those two idiots that heckled the Hindu priest giving the morning prayer in the Senate?


ack-ack

Yes I did see that. You see the Christians wanted religion in there. Now they have it. But , whoops its the wrong religion:)
Told you so is all Im going to keep saying....................

[lazs2]

silat... nice try.. tell you what..

Why don't you write them and say that you think helmet laws and seatbelt laws and gun laws are all unconstitutional and ask them why they aren't doing something about it?   I will await your response.

I have already done so.

Then.. you might as well ask them why they aren't stopping schools from allowing muslims to pray.

lazs

[Silat]

Originally posted by lazs2
silat... nice try.. tell you what..

Why don't you write them and say that you think helmet laws and seatbelt laws and gun laws are all unconstitutional and ask them why they aren't doing something about it?   I will await your response.

I have already done so.

Then.. you might as well ask them why they aren't stopping schools from allowing muslims to pray.

lazs

They are you and me Laz. They dont have unlimited funds. They take the cases they can. Why dont you donate money to them so they can take some of the constitutional issues that you want that actually pass muster.