Author Topic: B25 Tank Killer! (Read 13997 times)

E25280 · « **Reply #120 on:** October 08, 2007, 05:47:46 PM »

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Originally posted by BBBB
I have never been able to get a round to connect on a Tiger. That is why I suspect Bronks flims.

There are a few guys who are so willing to defy this they have gave up producing evidence and have dropped down to childish name calling and banter.

The only flims I have saw on the subject have all been offline films and it was one shot kills on Tigers that made me suspect the maker of the film is not being honest with his claims.

So if anyone can come here with some facts and some evidence, something more than name calling, banter, stupidity. I really would like to see it.

-Spot

You get the Pot meet Kettle Award for the day for calling someone a liar with no evidence that he is lying while simultaneously complaining he is calling you names. Congratulations.

BBBB · « **Reply #121 on:** October 08, 2007, 06:12:03 PM »

Show me where I called him a liar. And yet I called him a dolt because rather than reading my post he told me I had a shade.

-Spot

E25280 · « **Reply #122 on:** October 08, 2007, 06:39:03 PM »

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Originally posted by BBBB
Show me where I called him a liar. And yet I called him a dolt because rather than reading my post he told me I had a shade.

-Spot

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Originally posted by BBBB
That is why I suspect Bronks flims. They are off line and I am pretty sure he lowered the Tigers hardness to make them easier to kill.

The only flims I have saw on the subject have all been offline films and it was one shot kills on Tigers that made me suspect the maker of the film is not being honest with his claims.

BBBB · « **Reply #123 on:** October 08, 2007, 07:25:37 PM »

Right. I said I felt he was not being honest. That does not mean he out and out lied. At any rate this is getting off topic. He said we could go to the DA and he would show me. So problem solved. Next please.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #124 on:** October 08, 2007, 07:32:29 PM »

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Originally posted by BBBB
I have never been able to get a round to connect on a Tiger. That is why I suspect Bronks flims. They are off line and I am pretty sure he lowered the Tigers hardness to make them easier to kill. The total number of Tigers killed by the B-25H since the B-25H came out is: 132 Kills. Compare that with the number of B-25Hs being killed by tigers: 465.

-Spot

I've been able to kill Tigers, Panzers, T-34s and Fireflys in the B-25H. It's not easy to get an out right 1st shot kill (got lucky only once with a 1 shot kill on a Firefly but I suspected it might have already been damaged before hand). All of them, exept the the lone exception, took multiple passes.

I always strike broadside first, hoping to take out a track. If I see the tank has lost a track then I change my attack course and come at if from the rear, hitting the engine compartment. Usually 1 or 2 rounds fired from close range (600 to 400 yards) is enough to get it to start smoking. Then I just keep at it until it blows. More often than not, it takes almost a full ammo load of 75mm to take out a tank. It can be done but it's not easy and best results usually come from hitting in a weak area like the engine and firing at a close range.

Soft skinned GVs like M-16s, LVTs, Osties and jeeps are a lot easier and increased chance of taking them out with one shot.

However, as with all thing with life, YMMV.

ack-ack

E25280 · « **Reply #125 on:** October 08, 2007, 07:40:12 PM »

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Originally posted by BBBB
Right. I said I felt he was not being honest. That does not mean he out and out lied.

You have now also won the Bill Clinton "It Depends on What Your Definition of "Is" Is Award." Congratulations.

Lusche · « **Reply #126 on:** October 08, 2007, 07:44:21 PM »

No Tiger (yet), but a short B-25 attack run with two one-shot Panzer kills. Just recorded in MW arena.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ad1lnnjgodd

Bronk · « **Reply #127 on:** October 08, 2007, 08:14:00 PM »

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Originally posted by BBBB
Right. I said I felt he was not being honest. That does not mean he out and out lied. At any rate this is getting off topic. He said we could go to the DA and he would show me. So problem solved. Next please.

PM sent.

Bronk

Edit: never mind got a willing Ltarget.

Urchin · « **Reply #128 on:** October 08, 2007, 09:41:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I've been able to kill Tigers, Panzers, T-34s and Fireflys in the B-25H. It's not easy to get an out right 1st shot kill (got lucky only once with a 1 shot kill on a Firefly but I suspected it might have already been damaged before hand). All of them, exept the the lone exception, took multiple passes.

I always strike broadside first, hoping to take out a track. If I see the tank has lost a track then I change my attack course and come at if from the rear, hitting the engine compartment. Usually 1 or 2 rounds fired from close range (600 to 400 yards) is enough to get it to start smoking. Then I just keep at it until it blows. More often than not, it takes almost a full ammo load of 75mm to take out a tank. It can be done but it's not easy and best results usually come from hitting in a weak area like the engine and firing at a close range.

Soft skinned GVs like M-16s, LVTs, Osties and jeeps are a lot easier and increased chance of taking them out with one shot.

However, as with all thing with life, YMMV.

ack-ack

How many times have the tanks shot you down when you are coming in after them?

Bronk · « **Reply #129 on:** October 08, 2007, 09:49:03 PM »

MW with Ltarget as .. well the target.

http://www.savefile.com/download/1110242?PHPSESSID=f7f13d7b8e3c23461c5fc3e4daf0bc60

wow 2 trigger pulls 2 dead tigers. Who'd a thought.

Thanks Ltarget for participating.

~~Bronk~~

E25280 · « **Reply #130 on:** October 08, 2007, 09:51:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Edit: never mind got a willing Ltarget.

Indeed.

Bronk pwns LTARget.

~~Bronk.~~

Lusche · « **Reply #131 on:** October 08, 2007, 10:15:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
MW with Ltarget as .. well the target.

http://www.savefile.com/download/1110242?PHPSESSID=f7f13d7b8e3c23461c5fc3e4daf0bc60

Bronk

"I'm just glad this is impossible!"

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #132 on:** October 09, 2007, 02:28:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
How many times have the tanks shot you down when you are coming in after them?

Once...guy scored a pilot wound, blacked out and hit a tree. At least for me, I have found it to be a good idea to fire the machine guns as I make my run. The dust that it kicks up obscures the tanker's shot.

ack-ack

Bronk · « **Reply #133 on:** October 09, 2007, 03:09:12 PM »

Wow, no public comments on film. Why am I not surprised.

Bronk

dedalos · « **Reply #134 on:** October 09, 2007, 03:50:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Tilt
Under certain circumstances an AH jeep can appear to kill a tank with a mg round.

But to take a direct correlation a Panzer Mk IV can appear to kill a tank with a 76mm HE round.

Given that HTC has a very good general deliniation between HE and AP rounds of the same calibre and muzzle velocity it is more probable that B25 pilits experience the sometimes wierd effects of the damage attribution model and earn kills when infact their weapon could never have polished off the victim on its own.

When a victim is "killed" the program looks up a damage file to see who did the most damage and awards the kill appropriately.............. or sometimes seemingly inappropriately

Agressors are who have died or landed are deleted from the list whilst they may have indeed contributed the most damage.
Agressors who have brought about the final "killing" blow may not be awarded the kill because another has already affected more damage "points". (if the killing blow had massive destructive power only that part required to inflict final component failure will be counted {as a straw so to speak})
Agressors who have brought about loss of victims flight due to a few precision shots at a critical component may not be awarded the kill because others have scored more damage points across other (wider) areas.

and when you start to combine the above wierd (but fortunately not to common) stuff can happen.

e.g Assuming a wing comes off at 10 units of damage

Player1 inflicts 7 units of wing damage via 20mm cannon fire then dies or lands.
Player2 inflicts 2 units of wing damage via .303 fire and runs out of ammo.
Player3 inflicts 5 units of wing damage via 30mm cannon fire and the wing falls off.

Player2 gets the kill. Only 1 of Player 3's damage points count

Unless of course Player3 then follows the victim down and puts another 3 units into another component before the victim actually dies or bails.

Having said all that if your sure that you came along and were the only player to fire HE at a tank and kill it then HTC (and ergo the rest of the playing comunity) would be greatly assisted by any film you can send them so they can find out what happened in greater detail than we have access to.

Good explanation. It works fine with AC but with GVs its kind of funny. I can pump a tiger full of 20mm from a 110 and do no damage what so ever to it. If another gv kills it latter, I get the kill because of the amount of ammo I put in it. However, I di dnot even scratch the paint. So, I dont think it is damage points that count but weight? of ammo put on the target?