Author Topic: B25 Tank Killer! (Read 13996 times)

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #90 on:** October 06, 2007, 12:36:19 AM »

The T13E1 used the same HE ammo as the M3 found on the M4 Sherman.

ack-ack

hubsonfire · « **Reply #91 on:** October 06, 2007, 01:09:57 AM »

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Originally posted by BBBB
How am I trolling? You made a claim, yet had zero evidence to support that claim. There few people on here who have made consistent kill claims against hard armor in here and yet they have mostly been proven to behave been full of it. Their scores do not confirm their respective claims.

Now, if you can offer up something more than "Eh, no. They are, it is, and they are not." Then maybe it would be worth my time to debate the issue with you. However, at the present time it is not. Save the name calling for grade school.

-Spot

Have you played Aces High, in the arenas, since the B-25H was introduced?

BBBB · « **Reply #92 on:** October 06, 2007, 02:41:18 AM »

I sure have. I have found that killing tanks with the B-25H's 75MM gun is hit and miss. Sure you can knock out an engine, or knock off a track, but seven out of ten shots do nothing.

I have not been able to fly that much this month. I have flown the B-25 models pretty much exclusively. Except for a brief flight in a P-38L to take care of a Tempest that was bugging the hell out of me, it is all I have flown.

Right now I stand at 15 Kills and 15 Deaths.
I have 13 Kills in the B-25H and have died 11 times in a B-25H. The kills in the B-25H are as followed.
3 M16 kills
1 M3
1 M8
2 Osties
1 Panzer
1 Seafire
I have one kill in a B-25C and no deaths. That one kill was in an ostie that was hiding in some trees and would not come out.

I have a total of 1 hour and 14 mins in the B-25. I flew 19 sorties and killed a total of 14 times in the B-25s.

I don't have the time to play that much. I am no newbie though. Pushing mud is one of my favorite things to do in this game. I did it a lot in the P-38 series. I have done it in the A-20. I have been around. Sure I have scored the lucky hits on tanks. I have killed tanks with the rockets on the P-38 even though they are not supposed to pop tanks. These things happen. I have yet to see anyone land multiple kills on hard armor, in a B-25H, on the same sortie, using just the B-25H's main gun.

I think what is happening is that guys are popping gvers tracks and they are towering. Sure this is a kill, but I don't think it is a direct result of the 75MM gun piercing the tanks hull and killing the guy. My one Panzer kill came from me picking away at this panzer from every angle. By the time he towered out I had taken out his turret, engine and both tracks. I took out his turret first. Then his engine and after that I flew at him from every angle trying to kill him. I did everything I could think of to kill him with that gun. Nothing.

Right now in this tour the B-25H has 191 Kills of the Panzer. The Panzer has 161 kills on the B-25H. That is just over a 1 for 1 exchange rate. That K/D gets even worse when you look at the Firefly. B-25H has 35 Kills of Sherman VC and the Sherman VC has 50 Kills of B-25H. The B-25H has 25 Kills of T-34 and the T-34 has 28 Kills of B-25H. The B-25H has 15 Kills of Tiger I and the Tiger I has 63 Kills of B-25H, the B-25H has 92 Kills of Ostwind and the Ostwind has 253 Kills of B-25H.

If those are good numbers then I am really confused about what constitutes good numbers now days. The B-25H is an excellent attack plane. I love flying it. However it is not this uber tank buster it is being touted as. How is it a tank is scoreing more kills against an aircraft? If I were in a tank I would be really happy to see a B-25H. Most likely that means a kill for me.

Hard armor has something to fear in the B-25H. It can deal some damage to a tank, but as far as getting killed by that 75MM, tankers need to worry more about eggs and other tanks. That 75MM is not a tank buster.

-Spot

Edit: I am sorry now for any grammar errors and miss-spelled words. It is 4am and I just got home.

Bronk · « **Reply #93 on:** October 06, 2007, 07:06:03 AM »

Pffft
Offline mode MA settings(except for protect objects. I like to tests ords load outs).

http://www.savefile.com/files/1104278

4 shots dead tiger. I can do it over and over.

http://www.savefile.com/files/1104287

yup it's impossible to get multi kills on hard GVs.

Bronk
Edit: While harder to do in the MA, it is possible to kill a tank as "a direct result of the 75MM gun piercing the tanks hull and killing the guy".
Spot your just plain wrong.
Ohh only tank I have yet to pop outright is the M-4. But I'm working on that.

BBBB · « **Reply #94 on:** October 06, 2007, 07:33:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Pffft
Offline mode MA settings(except for protect objects. I like to tests ords load outs).

http://www.savefile.com/files/1104278

4 shots dead tiger. I can do it over and over.

http://www.savefile.com/files/1104287

yup it's impossible to get multi kills on hard GVs.

Done with you.

Bronk

Please find a quote of me saying it is impossible to kill a tank with the 75MM gun. Prove that I am wrong. You made five kills last tour with the B-25H. Zero kills with it this tour. You have proved nothing.

-Spot

Lusche · « **Reply #95 on:** October 06, 2007, 07:39:30 AM »

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Originally posted by BBBB
I sure have. I have found that killing tanks with the B-25H's 75MM gun is hit and miss. Sure you can knock out an engine, or knock off a track, but seven out of ten shots do nothing.

(...)

I think what is happening is that guys are popping gvers tracks and they are towering. Sure this is a kill, but I don't think it is a direct result of the 75MM gun piercing the tanks hull and killing the guy.

(...)

I did everything I could think of to kill him with that gun. Nothing.

Right now in this tour the B-25H has 191 Kills of the Panzer. The Panzer has 161 kills on the B-25H. That is just over a 1 for 1 exchange rate. That K/D gets even worse when you look at the Firefly.
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However it is not this uber tank buster it is being touted as. How is it a tank is scoreing more kills against an aircraft?

You forget that K/D reflects not only the capabilities of the plane, but also the pilots' too. This way you could also dismiss the Hurricane IID's anti-tank capabiltiy, which has a similar low K/D vs tanks - and we all know that this plane can and does nail every tank on the Ah2 battlefield. The problem is just that, unlike air-to-air combat, few guys bothered to really train their anti-tank gunning skills. So the single most cause of dreath for both planes is augering next to the tank.

The 25 is not a uber-buster with its cannon because it's not easy to fly. Slow target, easy to crash. But it's defenitely not because of it's cannon.

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Originally posted by BBBB
I am not saying it is not possible to kill a tank with the 75MM gun. I am just saying it is not something that has to do with skill. As in finding an aiming point on a tank and they will pop every time

And you can't discredit the results of a anti-tank run in that plane by being dependent on luck only. It's skill. a more skilled pilot will have more "luck" because he knows how to handle his plane, he knows where the sweet spots on enemy armor are and he knows of to aim for them. Bad pilots have luck, good ones have skill.

Heck, the same argument presented by you could be applied to air combat: Because there is no guaranteed kill when you are attacking a bomber with, lets say, a P51D, that doesn't mean successful buff-busting with that plane is luck only.

Bronk · « **Reply #96 on:** October 06, 2007, 07:42:03 AM »

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Originally posted by BBBB
Please find a quote of me saying it is impossible to kill a tank with the 75MM gun. Prove that I am wrong. You made five kills last tour with the B-25H. Zero kills with it this tour. You have proved nothing.

-Spot

Well my ac of choice for tank busting is the hurri 2d.
And what I have proved is with a bit of practice and some luck. You can get multi kills from the 75mm gun outright.

So pound sand Troll.

Bronk

Bronk · « **Reply #97 on:** October 06, 2007, 07:45:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Lusche
You forget that K/D reflects not only the capabilities of the plane, but also the pilots' too. This way you could also dismiss the Hurricane IID's anti-tank capabiltiy, which has a similar low K/D vs tanks - and we all know that this plane can and does nail every tank on the Ah2 battlefield. The problem is just that, unlike air-to-air combat, few guys bothered to really train their anti-tank gunning skills. So the single most cause of dreath for both planes is augering next to the tank.

The 25 is not a uber-buster with its cannon because it's not easy to fly. Slow target, easy to crash. But it's defenitely not because of it's cannon.

And you can't discredit the results of a anti-tank run in that plane by being dependent on luck only. It's skill. a more skilled pilot will have more "luck" because he knows how to handle his plane, he knows where the sweet spots on enemy armor are and he knows of to aim for them. Bad pilots have luck, good ones have skill.

Heck, the same argument presented by you could be applied to air combat: Because there is no guaranteed kill when you are attacking a bomber with, lets say, a P51D, that doesn't mean successful buff-busting with that plane is luck only.

And from out of nowhere the PWN.
Lusche

Bronk

Urchin · « **Reply #98 on:** October 06, 2007, 07:51:13 AM »

I tried the B-25H last month, but I couldn't manage a positive K/D in it. For tankbusting I prefer the Hurri-2D, although I rarely get kills outright with that either. I did kill a Panzer IV outright by coming in flat and behind him, I hit him about on the middle of his rear hull, and he died.

I killed a couple Osties the same way, but I'd be leery of doing it against people who know what they are doing... and even those who really don't. I can shoot down a plane headed directly at me fairly easily in a tank(to say nothing of an Osty), so I imagine that everyone else out to be able to as well.

Bronk · « **Reply #99 on:** October 06, 2007, 07:55:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
I tried the B-25H last month, but I couldn't manage a positive K/D in it. For tankbusting I prefer the Hurri-2D, although I rarely get kills outright with that either. I did kill a Panzer IV outright by coming in flat and behind him, I hit him about on the middle of his rear hull, and he died.

I killed a couple Osties the same way, but I'd be leery of doing it against people who know what they are doing... and even those who really don't. I can shoot down a plane headed directly at me fairly easily in a tank(to say nothing of an Osty), so I imagine that everyone else out to be able to as well.

The hurri is lethal on tanks. I die more a result of my impatiences than to enemy.
As to osties better bring a friend and coordinate attack runs.

Bronk

Lusche · « **Reply #100 on:** October 06, 2007, 08:07:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
I tried the B-25H last month, but I couldn't manage a positive K/D in it. For tankbusting I prefer the Hurri-2D, although I rarely get kills outright with that either. I did kill a Panzer IV outright by coming in flat and behind him, I hit him about on the middle of his rear hull, and he died.

I killed a couple Osties the same way, but I'd be leery of doing it against people who know what they are doing... and even those who really don't. I can shoot down a plane headed directly at me fairly easily in a tank(to say nothing of an Osty), so I imagine that everyone else out to be able to as well.

When attacking tanks, do a steep angled slow dive and shoot at their top deck. Usally aim for turret or engine compartment. If you want a Tiger instant kill, aim for the top of the driver's station - but that's a very difficult shot, you'll need to be very close & very steep. Better aim for the engine first.

I usually refrain from attacking Ostwinds in a Hurri D. Il-2 is better suited to that with it's armor and bigger volume of fire.

BBBB · « **Reply #101 on:** October 06, 2007, 08:08:31 AM »

You gotta love being called a troll by two of the biggest trolls on the board. Define irony. Lol

Lush I agree with you. The point I was trying to make here is the B-25H is not some uber tank buster as it is being claimed. There are far better choices out there for killing tanks. I prefer my 38. Each is their own. The only point I have been trying to make is the 75MM gun on the B-25H was not put there to kill tanks. I have had to endure a lot of leg humping from people who haven't really even used it. There are a lot of kill claims going around that are not correct. I am simply trying to explain that. If that is being a troll..then I guess I am a troll.

Bronk · « **Reply #102 on:** October 06, 2007, 08:12:58 AM »

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You gotta love being called a troll by two of the biggest trolls on the board. Define irony. Lol

Lush I agree with you. The point I was trying to make here is the B-25H is not some uber tank buster as it is being claimed. There are far better choices out there for killing tanks. I prefer my 38. Each is their own. The only point I have been trying to make is the 75MM gun on the B-25H was not put there to kill tanks. I have had to endure a lot of leg humping from people who haven't really even used it. There are a lot of kill claims going around that are not correct. I am simply trying to explain that. If that is being a troll..then I guess I am a troll.

Well and I never said it was a wonder weapon. I said was "with a bit of practice and some luck. You can get multi kills from the 75mm gun outright.".
Just because you couldn't do it makes it impossible?

And you're still a troll.

Bronk

BBBB · « **Reply #103 on:** October 06, 2007, 09:18:24 AM »

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And you're still a troll.

Bronk

I might lose a second or two of sleep tonight caring what you think of me.

Bronk · « **Reply #104 on:** October 06, 2007, 09:38:02 AM »

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I did everything I could think of to kill him with that gun. Nothing.

Did your hair catch fire from overexerting the hamster wheel?

Bronk