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« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2007, 09:14:56 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2007, 09:37:53 PM »
I'm refering to serious artist's, scientists and inventors and so on, i.e. Einstein, Marie Curie, DaVinci, Jules Verne.

You did NOT just place the ditzie twits in the same catagory as these people did you?

Geeez...the lengths some people will go to in order to laud those who speak in the same voice as there's.
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« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2007, 09:44:35 PM »
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Answer to question number one: (Read this in the original post)

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My solution to Iraq, withdraw the troops after a deadline of say 6 months to a year, under the guise of "Look Iraq we kicked out Sadaam we've been here a long time we've darn near given 4,000 of our own children in the process now it's your turn to stand alone. We've been boobytrapped in your own country for quite a while now, that's it. If things start going to hell after that outside pressure from the United Nations would be best bet. Other than that get a new oil supply, or alternative fuels. Message to America "We are not our brothers keeper" unless it involves our own resources. Since President Bush can't figure this out i guess i'll have to.

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The only way I would have done it differently would have been to carpet bomb Bagdad in the beginning.

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"Kill the arnoldholes with the innocents, that's great. huh. News flash, everybody in Iraq is not a terrorist, you might have passed a terrorist working in Wal-Mart today, so where do we attack, where is the battle ground, which is exactly why the war won't work in the first point. To win an Army must be allowed to be unleashed with it's full power onto the enemy, not have to tip toe in a land where some are innocent and others are not. This happened in Vietnam when the white house wouldn't allow the military to hit certain targets because of the political correctness crap, a military should not have to worry about that. It didn't work there either did it?

 Sadaam was a @#$@ no doubt, but he was also a poosy. Doe anyone remember him being interviewed by Dan Rather just before the war started? Sadaam was basically saying. " Please America don't kill us we don't want any problems, there's no need for this. Which tells me he didn't want Gulf War #2. If Sadaam acted up he could've been cruise missiled to death. Iraq is not terrorism attacking Iraq is not going to end terrorism.

Another thing i'd rather have Clinton "hiding cigars" than Bush killing troops.


You didn't answer my first question. How would you have fought the war?

As for the second question, you seem to not like my answering about carpet bombing Bagdad because it would kill innocents. HOWEVER, your answer was "To win an Army must be allowed to be unleashed with it's full power onto the enemy, not have to tip toe in a land where some are innocent and others are not." How exactly is that different?

As for Clinton, if he were still in office Saddam would probably be back in Kuwait.
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« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2007, 09:46:50 PM »
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I'm refering to serious artist's, scientists and inventors and so on, i.e. Einstein, Marie Curie, DaVinci, Jules Verne.

You did NOT just place the ditzie twits in the same catagory as these people did you?

Geeez...the lengths some people will go to in order to laud those who speak in the same voice as there's.


  If you think that and you don't get the point then sorry i can't help ya..


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« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2007, 09:48:03 PM »
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You only believe celebs are ahead because you are a liberal.

 

I am sure he said artists, not celebrities!  


I think his point is also that the war in IRAQ was a bad idea in the first place and that many who spoke up early on were attacked for being unpatriotic.  Yet many still will back a policy that is flawed because of a political affiliation rather than common sense and logic.  I do not like the way the Dixie Chicks voiced their opinion.  I think it showed a lack of class.

  I grew up watching the vietnam war on the nightly news and also saw how the people basically turned on the war.  It hit home as we waited for years for my uncle's body to be found as he was listed as MIA.  My grandmother sent letter after letter to President Johnson, Ladybird, and any other government official she could to beg them to send her son home.  She died within a month after them finally sending a couple of pieces of bone back home in a casket after 4 years of waiting.  She was 50 years old.  

When we look back at why the vietnam war was fought and how it was fought, the plans do not look like they were intelligently designed.  The reasons seem to not be worth the 50,000+ deaths and hundreds of thousands of destroyed lives and families.  It was evident that the plan was flawed even as we trudged on and more and more lives were lost.  Pride and image held more weight than logic, and it was sad.

  As humans, and citizens of the most powerful nation on earth, we must always error on the side of peace.

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« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2007, 09:55:11 PM »
Saddam did what? "Please America don't kill us"???

Have you completely lost your mind? ALL Saddam had to do was allow the UN COMPLETE unrestricted access, and stop shooting at Allied aircraft enforcing the no fly zone. Well, along with not paying the families of homicide bombers $25K.

You have posted some of the most delusional crap I've seen here in years. I cannot believe anyone would be so stupid as to try to pass off Saddam as being compliant and wanting to avoid an invasion. Did you sleep through the near two year build up to the invasion, or did you have your head up your bellybutton the entire time?

Your grasp of the bombing restrictions during Vietnam is non existent as well. The vast majority of the targets that were off limits were properties of countries like Russia and China. It had nothing to do with political correctness, and everything to do with not escalating a local conflict to a world war.
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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2007, 10:23:55 PM »
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You didn't answer my first question. How would you have fought the war?

As for the second question, you seem to not like my answering about carpet bombing Bagdad because it would kill innocents. HOWEVER, your answer was "To win an Army must be allowed to be unleashed with it's full power onto the enemy, not have to tip toe in a land where some are innocent and others are not." How exactly is that different?

As for Clinton, if he were still in office Saddam would probably be back in Kuwait.


Question 1. I would have fought the war by using CIA, military, and covert operatives, along with willing people from the area who are in the know, like the brave interpreters they have now (those guys are amazing), much as they're doing in Afganisthan. Sort of sniffing terrorist out with a combat roach bait that they can take back to the nest and kill the queen.  Things such as infiltrating info such as terrorist meetings and bombing the crap outta them when they show up. Possibly getting operatives to hold arms sales in the guise of a helping entity (such as Iranian undercover arms traders) everybody shows up dies. You gotta weed em out like termites, get my drift. Large scale conflict on a country that may or may not have terrorist influence is not the way. (we know it does but we don't want to piss off the locals and cause anymore destabilization). Another thing, i know i'm setting up a earthquacke amongst conservatives now. America needs to own up to it's own responsibility for the hatred it is recieving upon it. Such as the ugly American syndrome, which has been going on a long time. Example in the fifties my dad described how upon entering the port of a foreign country the country would have to raise it's flag in salute before America would raise it's flag. That's not nice isn't that kind of arrogant. If someone came into my house and did that i'd be pissed. Things like that translate into hatred. Terrorism in it's essence is a feeling, a feeling of hatred and that needs to be healed before any long term closure can be reached.

Question 2:

I'll compare it this, in WW2 America waged total destruction on a group of (this is the point) COUNTRIES which had the energy and population and industriy to wage war, therefore anything in that country was open season.
In Iraq were supposed to be fighting (main point) terrorism. Where's the industry, who's the terrorists, where's their equipment, what uniforms do they wear, of course our military doesn't know untill some guy blows their head off and runs away by then it's to late. Where'd the guy go, who did that, our soldiers look into the crowd for help but everyones staring at the sky either not willing or scared to help. See how that could be confusing, see how that could be a tough situation?

Question 3:
  Your probably right, Clinton might have. Sadaam would still be in power today. However what's worse a President who sends troops into harms way with a bb gun and a sling shot with an obscure drawing of the "Big bad wolf " in a land of "Big badWolf's" and tells him to kill the enemy with a rifle with no sight on it while wearing a blind fold against an enemy who has telescopic sights and no blindfold who cleary knows who we are and can pick us off at will while our soldiers are disoriented and defensive. That's a *****ty situation to send our troops into and any President that can't realize those facts should have been sent to Vietnam and died in his plane like his peer's that did. Since he expouses to be a "Tough President", "War President" "Bring em On", get my drift.

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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2007, 10:37:57 PM »
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Saddam did what? "Please America don't kill us"???

Have you completely lost your mind? ALL Saddam had to do was allow the UN COMPLETE unrestricted access, and stop shooting at Allied aircraft enforcing the no fly zone. Well, along with not paying the families of homicide bombers $25K.

You have posted some of the most delusional crap I've seen here in years. I cannot believe anyone would be so stupid as to try to pass off Saddam as being compliant and wanting to avoid an invasion. Did you sleep through the near two year build up to the invasion, or did you have your head up your bellybutton the entire time?

Your grasp of the bombing restrictions during Vietnam is non existent as well. The vast majority of the targets that were off limits were properties of countries like Russia and China. It had nothing to do with political correctness, and everything to do with not escalating a local conflict to a
world war.


Did you not view the Dan Rather interview not too long before the invasion. Sadaam acted all big all those years before but was acting like a poosy during that interview, that told me something. Was your head up your arnold when that happened? Too bad it wasn't far enough up your arnold so you could see out your throat, then maybe you would've seen something.

I can remember sitting in a Navy Rotc class in college and hearing the C.O. who was a Captain and had flown in Vietnam tell us he was flying i can't remember if it was North or South Vietnam (of course it would make a difference) and telling us as he was flying his A-7 Corsair over a number of hours over a AAA battery that was staring at them. He asked for permission to engage and was denied, it eventually killed his buddy, only then was he given permission to fire. If you don't think that's sad, if you don't get that point. Then Sir, your brain should be shredded and used for kitty litter.

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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2007, 11:16:28 PM »
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Let me guess you live in a trailer home, drive a pickup, like country music, and are a member of the NRA...not that there's anything wrong with that.

 


Does that help you feel better about yourself?

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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2007, 11:22:15 PM »
LEADPIG, is the first part of your name pronounced like lead in bullets or like lead  in leader?

Just curious, it's been bothering me a bit.

Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2007, 11:29:10 PM »
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Does that help you feel better about yourself?


Originally posted by john9001

leadpig says the USA should surrender.

the terrorists lie leadpig

leadpig is why the terrorists keep on fighting.


Ledpig says:

Read this comment and ask me that again.
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« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2007, 11:32:13 PM »
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Question 1. I would have fought the war by using CIA, military, and covert operatives, along with willing people from the area who are in the know, like the brave interpreters they have now (those guys are amazing), much as they're doing in Afganisthan.


You mean you would use the same CIA and covert ops that told us that Sadam had weapons of mass destruction?

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I'll compare it this, in WW2 America waged total destruction on a group of (this is the point) COUNTRIES which had the energy and population and industriy to wage war, therefore anything in that country was open season.
In Iraq were supposed to be fighting (main point) terrorism. Where's the industry, who's the terrorists, where's their equipment, what uniforms do they wear, of course our military doesn't know untill some guy blows their head off and runs away by then it's to late. Where'd the guy go, who did that, our soldiers look into the crowd for help but everyones staring at the sky either not willing or scared to help. See how that could be confusing, see how that could be a tough situation?


When we went in the Iraqi army was fighting us and they did have uniforms and stockpiles of weapons. The terrorists came in from Iran after the war with the Iraqi army was over.


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Your probably right, Clinton might have. Sadaam would still be in power today. However what's worse a President who sends troops into harms way with a bb gun and a sling shot with an obscure drawing of the "Big bad wolf " in a land of "Big badWolf's" and tells him to kill the enemy with a rifle with no sight on it while wearing a blind fold against an enemy who has telescopic sights and no blindfold who cleary knows who we are and can pick us off at will while our soldiers are disoriented and defensive.


How many battles did our troops lose in the war? Both wars were decisive victories with minimal causulties.
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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2007, 11:34:42 PM »
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Your bait sucks as bad as your argument.


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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2007, 11:40:03 PM »
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LEADPIG, is the first part of your name pronounced like lead in bullets or like lead  in leader?

Just curious, it's been bothering me a bit.

Thanks in advance.

Mark


It's like lead in bullets, that's all, thanks for asking. :)

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« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2007, 11:52:21 PM »
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You mean you would use the same CIA and covert ops that told us that Sadam had weapons of mass destruction?



When we went in the Iraqi army was fighting us and they did have uniforms and stockpiles of weapons. The terrorists came in from Iran after the war with the Iraqi army was over.


 

How many battles did our troops lose in the war? Both wars were decisive victories with minimal causulties.


Must you contradict everything i say without deducing the rest (I love a heated discussion btw :) )

1. Have they not fired most of those CIA employees now? If your talking about back then i would have fired them as soon as they became evident, which i'm sure is lot sooner than Bush would have because i don't care about saving face it's ugly enough as it is.

2. Yes for a very short time but it did not end up being a war with Iraqi soldiers now did it?

3 Really was the first Gulf War decisive? Apparently not because Sadaam was still alive. If you want to say that, you could say the first Gulf War was not ended untill Bushed kicked him out. As for that the major goal i think (i still don't know what Bush thought) was finding WMD's, no dice there, okay Sadaam out, Check!, A decisive victory against terrorism in Iraq......................... ..........























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