Author Topic: Cheap ammo? (Read 1441 times)

Russian · « **Reply #15 on:** October 10, 2007, 02:48:07 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
no.. the tokerev ammo is very high velocity... the nagant ammo is low velocity...around 38 spl velocity but with a much lighter round. Very low energy and penetration levels.

A good round to compare it with would be something like the 32 auto round.

lazs

Yep, it seems you're right. Regardless, Nagant 1895 is cheap shooter that I will enjoy. Also, ammo prices will drop since Russia is restarting production for it.

Charon · « **Reply #16 on:** October 10, 2007, 11:04:43 PM »

I came across some at classic arms for $15/40. Classic arms is an "OK" place to deal with -- I got my RC Mauser there and some Yugo 8mm.

http://www.classicarms.us/

About 1/2 way down the page.

Charon

Boroda · « **Reply #17 on:** October 10, 2007, 11:51:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
It was probably fine for shooting people in the back of the head from six inches though.

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There are some very few things on the Internet that really make me angry.

And especially hearing them form a person who participated in preparing history's greatest mass murder, fortunately it was not implemented. Yet.

Nobody knows was it the last surviving ensign (michman) on board of destroyer Bezuprechniy (Flawless) who made a one and the last shot blowing the ship up, not putting a Flag down on May 15th 1905, Russian calendar.

People died with the last 7th shot on the Great Retreat of 1915. Officers who were dieing in the mountains of Armeina, swamps of Eastern Prussia, forests of Belorussia and steppes of Ukraine. And later they saluted in Berlin 1945.

To Russian: Dima, our common friend,

Evangelina, worked in Sberbank, they were trained to shoot Nagans every 6 months

So I had a girlfriend who shot a gun that I didn't

Russian · « **Reply #18 on:** October 11, 2007, 01:16:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Charon
I came across some at classic arms for $15/40. Classic arms is an "OK" place to deal with -- I got my RC Mauser there and some Yugo 8mm.

http://www.classicarms.us/

About 1/2 way down the page.

Charon

I'm going to try those guys. The website or a person on the phone did not give me any 'secure' feeling.

Charon · « **Reply #19 on:** October 11, 2007, 01:25:26 PM »

Well, their customer service is marginal. I don't mean returns, etc. just not a friendly, inviting bunch. I had no issues with my transaction aside from the rifle being poorly packed, but no real complaints either.

They have been around for a while and are basically a "safe" vendor. Buy one of their pimped out chromed 91/30s;m44s or AKs while you're at it

Charon

Russian · « **Reply #20 on:** October 11, 2007, 01:34:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Charon
Well, their customer service is marginal. I don't mean returns, etc. just not a friendly, inviting bunch. I had no issues with my transaction aside from the rifle being poorly packed, but no real complaints either.

They have been around for a while and are basically a "safe" vendor. Buy one of their pimped out chromed 91/30s;m44s or AKs while you're at it

Charon

I'd love to buy an AK, but I live in extreme-socialism so that's out of a question.

Russian · « **Reply #21 on:** October 11, 2007, 02:08:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda

To Russian: Dima, our common friend, Evangelina, worked in Sberbank, they were trained to shoot Nagans every 6 months So I had a girlfriend who shot a gun that I didn't

Does she actually carry it in a bank? That gives new meaning - don't be rude to tellers. LOL.

Can you ask Estel on what type of ammo he uses in his?

I got 200 rounds of this old USSR sport stuff.

Boroda · « **Reply #22 on:** October 11, 2007, 02:41:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Russian
Does she actually carry it in a bank? That gives new meaning - don't be rude to tellers. LOL.

Can you ask Estel on what type of ammo he uses in his?

I got 200 rounds of this old USSR sport stuff.

Sport stuff with long brass? With lead bullet deep inside the brass? LOL I have seen this boxes not long ago

Keep them, they should be rare now, like pre-1908 three-line cartridges with hemispheric bullet.

These should be low velocity rounds, with a powder charge two times smaller then usual. There is a chapter in Yuriev's book, "Sports Shooting", that I sent you about a year ago. There are some hints about tuning a three-line and Nagans.

Estel has a traumatic 8mm "Naganych", BTW, why not ask him? I'll send his ICQ contact later.

Evangelina has a rare experience, her bank got robbed, the idiot who attempted robbery was arrested on spot... They got the training, but were told not to play "cowboys" and never even touch weapons in such cases...

Russian · « **Reply #23 on:** October 11, 2007, 09:53:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Sport stuff with long brass? With lead bullet deep inside the brass? LOL I have seen this boxes not long ago Keep them, they should be rare now, like pre-1908 three-line cartridges with hemispheric bullet.

These should be low velocity rounds, with a powder charge two times smaller then usual. There is a chapter in Yuriev's book, "Sports Shooting", that I sent you about a year ago. There are some hints about tuning a three-line and Nagans.

Estel has a traumatic 8mm "Naganych", BTW, why not ask him? I'll send his ICQ contact later.

Evangelina has a rare experience, her bank got robbed, the idiot who attempted robbery was arrested on spot... They got the training, but were told not to play "cowboys" and never even touch weapons in such cases...

I haven't received it yet, so I'm not sure. The only info I have is that picture.

8mm? That doesn't sound right....or maybe it's something special like 'hydro-shock' ammo they sell here that causes maximum damage.

So are you going to continue story with Devochka Eva? How did they stop robber?

Toad · « **Reply #24 on:** October 11, 2007, 10:54:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
And especially hearing them form a person who participated in preparing history's greatest mass murder, fortunately it was not implemented. Yet.

It was never implemented because the Soviets never rolled their tanks out of the Warsaw Pact countries they conquered and ruled at the end of WW2.

It's true they did roll them around inside a few Warsaw Pact countries like Hungary but they managed to be smart enough to stay out of Western Europe, thus avoiding another World War.

We had a reaction plan; it would have been implemented if the Soviets had decided to continue their conquest. I'm sure your side had one too. Lie and deny that if you like; everyone knows the truth.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 12, 2007, 03:59:22 AM »

Seeing pictures of the ammo now reminds me of seeing a Nagant in a little hole-in-the-wall gun shop. I was looking at other things, but I started chatting with the owner, and he pulled the gun out of the glass for me. I noticed that it had an unusually heavy DA trigger pull...But that was because of the Gas-seal system.

The cylinder not only lined each chamber up with the barrel, but kinda slid the cylinder down over it, so that it overlapped a little. What made the pull so heavy was the extra effort of moving the cylinder back and forth as well as rotating it.

A technically interesting revolver, But you'll want to make extra sure to keep it cleaned and oiled, with the gas-seal system.

Boroda · « **Reply #26 on:** October 12, 2007, 11:01:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Russian
I haven't received it yet, so I'm not sure. The only info I have is that picture.

Looks exactly like my Father's ammo boxes. "Combat" ammo came in boxes of 14 IIRC. I doubt I can take pictures of it though

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Originally posted by Russian
8mm? That doesn't sound right....or maybe it's something special like 'hydro-shock' ammo they sell here that causes maximum damage.

It's an ordinary officer's (double-action) Nagan that is castrated to use 8mm gas, blank or traumatic (rubber bullets) ammo. It has deflectors inside cylinder, so full-length cartridge doesn't fit there. Many people have gas/traumatic Makarovs now, so Nagan looks much more "persuading" in self-defense

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Originally posted by Russian
So are you going to continue story with Devochka Eva? How did they stop robber?

I assembled a PC for her about a month ago, now thinking of setting up an internet connection, so she'll take a toy away from her son

With that robber they pressed an alarm button and Militia came in like two minutes. They only time to start crying... The bank was closed for the rest of the day and their shift got several days off.

lazs2 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 12, 2007, 11:08:11 AM »

no matter what.. the truth is that one hell of a lot more people were shot in the back of the head with that round than ever were killed in "combat" by it. Not the kind of "history" I am that into.

It is a weak round not suited for combat with a well made but complex firearm.

The idea was that the mouth would seal the cyl gap and increase velocity.. A complex solution to a non existent problem.

In reality.. the very case idea itself limited the pressure it could take sooooo... the solution was not only not needed (revolvers are capable of very high velocity) but... the reverse was true... it limited the velocity and diameter of the bullet itself.

an oddball design best relegated to the trash heap of firearms ideas.

lazs

Boroda · « **Reply #28 on:** October 12, 2007, 11:20:25 AM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
A technically interesting revolver, But you'll want to make extra sure to keep it cleaned and oiled, with the gas-seal system.

I have never heard of a Nagant mechanical failure. Here it's an example of perfectly reliable and accurate handgun. And it's the only revolver that can be used with a silencer (Bramit device).

BTW, it's funny, but the "soldier's" single action Nagant was in fact more expensive then "officer's" double-action

lazs2 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 12, 2007, 11:31:31 AM »

wrong... any revolver can be used with a silencer. to prove my point.. simply tape a one quart plastic bottle over the end of any low velocity revolver (subsonic) and fire it.

you must OF COURSE have permission and permits from the enlightened government to do so but.... you will notice that there is very little gas, much less noise, coming from the barrel cyl. gap. the reason the nagant is so quiet is because the round is so weak and puny.

There is some advantage gained in noise reduction but... it is moot compared to the loss of power the system imposes.

I have shot nagants... they are generaly accurate but nothing to brag about. Like most russian handguns they are medium in the accuracy dept. and.. like all russian handguns.. they have terrible sights.

lazs