General Climate Discussion

[Hortlund]

Basically, this is lasz:



I triple guarantee you, there is no global warming.

[Angus]

Hehehe, and "What tanks? They will burn in their tanks!!!"

An ostridge sense of realism.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Arlo
I'm clearer on it than you are, presently. Your comment was:

"Clouds are also reflective and it isn't known what the overall effect would be with more clouds."

Yes, it is known. Feel free to concede that point when you're up to it. Then we can go on to discuss cumulative effects.

If you read ALL of that article you'll find that there are many different types of clouds, each with different reflective properties. Of course it's gets more complex when you also consider that while clouds reflect the sun's energy during the day, they also keep the earth warm at night. If you're right that all clouds on average will have a net result of cooling the earth then we shouldn't fear global warming. The earth will self-regulate it's temperature when the warmer, moister, air has a cooling effect. I think we don't know what might happen.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Basically, this is lasz:



I triple guarantee you, there is no global warming.

Ve must take control and eliminate the energy users! It vill be our final solution!

[Angus]

zere iz no global varming!!!

[SD67]

Originally posted by Sabre
he supported Kyoto because it was the first step towards a true global government

Now THERE's an interesting agenda! The New World Order! Run for your lives!
That huge fire in SoCal?
Drop a nuke right in the middle of it, the shockwave will snuff it out in an instant. Fire crews in radiation suits can mop up the remaining spot fires in a day:rofl

[Angus]

Here is Attenborough on the subject of GW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9ob9WdbXx0

[Angus]

And what's going on in Greenland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF2l9A9AqHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjsoXlZjUfQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmPLIA13QT8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWWfoqd4Qao

(treehugger warning, but nice images, and pretty much the reaction most people have when they go there)



Have a look at the pole in the autumn...now...and tell me it's cooling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onWoah881JQ

[Angus]

and Boosh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5r6TqpOQGc

[Louis XVII]

Hortlund - thanks for your input to this topic! Someone posted a picture of Hitler further up, and as I said earlier, it was he who first said that "the people" would be willing to believe a BIG lie - it was the small little white lies thay would not believe. So those trying to deny GW trot out the same rhetoric again and again, while all the time ignoring the facts, in the hope that the one BIG lie will some day be believed.

I notice that others have become exasperated arguing with this brick wall - Moray & AKH for example - and I have pretty much given up trying to have a sensible discussion about it.

My prediction for this thread is that Lazs will keep on repeating the big lie, interspersed with "facts" cherry picked from his one source of info on this matter, which was of gourse the global warming swindle tv programme. Others chortle from the side lines with mindless remarks like "bork bork", whatever that is supposed to mean.

This is how I expect this thread to end up, assuming it isn't locked:  Those with any grip on the realities of the situation - people like Moray, AKH, Angus and yourself - will tire of banging your head against the brick wall. Lazs will go on cherry picking, repeating the same lie, and occasionally repeating his "sun stupid" mantra. It will go on and on like that until all the brain cells abandon the thread, and the only people left are Lazs/jack etc. They will have the last word, and will in their own twisted minds believe that they have "won the argument". LOL  

A lie that he repeats over and over again in the vain hope that repeating the lie will make it true.

Yep - that pretty much sums them up 100%

[T0J0]

Cool...Global warming bullies, who would have thunk it...
It is interesting how they snap when one disagree's with an opinion...

Heretic

[Jackal1]

They tried enter enter enter..........but forgot to open the chute.
Sort of like the pay for sayers of GW.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by T0J0
Cool...Global warming bullies, who would have thunk it...
It is interesting how they snap when one disagree's with an opinion...

Heretic

I, having had my coffee on this fine saturday...unlike last week...will comment and restart lazs's weekly upswing in post count.  (I'm currently involved in a little experiment, results will be posted sometime soon

Anyway... I can only respond from my point of view to this particular post, about peeps snapping on this subject, and it all comes down to baseline understanding.
In order to have a meaningful discussion on a subject, the participants must have a groundrule understanding of the subject.  The problem with this particular debate, is that there is no base... no shared understanding of even the most basic fact involved.  
I can understand someone snapping over someone else holding their fingers in their ears and screaming "I can't hear you!!!!", over and over.  

Lazs, in particular, comments on CO2 constantly, yet if approached and asked, couldn't identify its' proper bond structure out of two pictures.  He picks info typed in my posts and uses them retroactively somehow to make his position stronger, whilst never fully understanding my post in the first place.  Somehow, last time I posted, it was a win for him, that I "admitted" being closer to the sun allowed for more solar irradiation.....a basic scientific fact.  He failed to actually look at my post, and realize I was talking in relation to Venus...and that Venus is not warming, ala solar forcing.

Why would anyone get frustrated when dealing with children who bury their heads in the sand, only to raise up after you're done and scream "YOU'RE WRONG!" without even understanding what you said??

[AKIron]

Originally posted by MORAY37
Why would anyone get frustrated when dealing with children who bury their heads in the sand, only to raise up after you're done and scream "YOU'RE WRONG!" without even understanding what you said??

I guess it's a matter of perspective but this comment seems to characterize the global warmings alarmists from mine.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by Spazzter
Moray,

I am not being argumentative in any way so please do not take any offense and I just might not be reading your math correctly, but wouldn't 1/10 of an inch per year mean after ten years the sea level would rise 1 inch not 1 foot as you mention above.  At that rate wouldn't it then take 120 years to rise 1 foot and then approximately 600 years to reach the 5 foot mark that would flood lower east side of Manhatten twice a day.  Again I am not an expert and will not claim to be, I am probably just reading your post incorrectly.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards,
Spazz

No offense... I was walking dead when I posted that one...I had had a very long night the night before and had no coffee..... Made for fuzzy math that was plain wrong.
Everyone's allowed a post or two that's bunk... look at Lazs.  85% DUH rating, and we still read.