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[Terror]

Originally posted by Slash27
Your brother told me you couldn't hit a bull in the bellybutton with a Glock.

Thats family for ya!!



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[lazs2]

well.. if pure speed and "accuracy" is all that matters then you can't be a semi auto fan... they are way too slow compared to a revolver.

They simply can't function as fast.

I have maybe not put so many rounds "downrange" as some of you but I have put tons of lead out the muzzles of lots of handguns... most of the rounds I made myself and most of the targets were either breathing or at a distances that were unknown up to about 400 yards.  I really have no use for a block for most of that kind of shooting and I find the 9 mm useless and not worth reloading.

I have never felt that practicing for a gunfight was any better than just getting good with the damn gun.   I have been shot at.. it is somewhat... unnerving.  

I have shot at moving targets and hand thrown targets and targets that were so far away that I had to hold up half the front sight with a 44 mag.   I have shot dogs that were attacking.   I don't know if any of this is good or bad "training" but I am comfortable around handguns and I have a fair idea of what each will and won't do... and what each caliber will and won't do.

There is nothing more fun than going out plinking and having the plastic pistol guys go "your kidding right?" when you tell em to hit a dirt clod 200 yards away or... a watermellon that is behind a car door.   even an old battery..  these guys don't have a clue as to what their gun will or won't do except against a piece of paper at known.... and short... very short.. ranges.

I am sure that it will not harm them and that it may make em formidable in a fight but... I would rather have someone with a revolver who has been shot at before at my side than anyone who has paper targets all over his walls.

lazs

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by lazs2
well.. if pure speed and "accuracy" is all that matters then you can't be a semi auto fan... they are way too slow compared to a revolver.

They simply can't function as fast.      lazs

Terror read this a few times because it is FACT.    Glocks, HK's, Sig's CANNOT fire faster when loaded.  

I was waiting for this to be said.

[Terror]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Terror read this a few times because it is FACT.    Glocks, HK's, Sig's CANNOT fire faster when loaded.  

I was waiting for this to be said.

Nope, no disagreement that a revolver is faster than a semi-auto in firing the first six rounds.  Revolvers are also not as prone to malfunctions as semi-autos and they don't have to have room for the slide to cycle.  There are many, many advantages to revolvers.  You give up quite a bit of reliability when you choose to carry a semi-auto.

It's becoming proficient in reloading a revolver that is much harder than in becoming proficient in reloading a semi-auto.  And the fact that you don't have to reload every 6 rounds as opposed to 12, 15 or 17 rounds...  I would guess this is why semi-autos are way more prevalent as carry firearms than revolvers.

Terror

[lazs2]

you also don't want to "thrust" a semi auto at the bad guy.. even making contact with his heavy clothes will push the slide out of battery and the gun won't fire.

revolvers come in 5,6,7 and even nine shot and they are indeed the fastest.   I really don't want to get involved in any fight that requires a reload but...

I have safariland speed loaders for the 44 and .357   they are very fast.  what most people don't know is that it is not foolproof or even easy to get a semi auto reloaded.. there are a number of steps and most people can't do it rapidly even when not under pressure.

I simply am having trouble thinking of a situation that would require me to shoot at multiple targets 30 times with a handgun.    

In the old days of revolvers.. the average fight lasted 1.7 rounds   now... it is up to what?  about 9 rounds per fight?   the fights haven't changed.. the mechanics are the same..  it is just the mentality that makes people think that "fast and accurate" is good that has changed.

In the gunfights I have studied..   fast and accurate do not go together.. mostly you get fast or you get accurate.    9 out of ten misses fast is not "acccurate"   one timed shot is not "fast".   In the end.. it is the shot that hits that does the work..

unless you can get everyone to run away.. which... in my opinion... is the best thing.

lazs