A question of respect...

[Stang]

The AvA has certain standards and traditions.  That is one of the things that makes the AvA what it is.  

It is not the MA.  It is also not the DA.  It is not an anything goes kind of place.  Certain conduct is expected, better yet encouraged, that makes the AvA the most respect filled arena to fight in.  People are encouraged to switch sides to keep things balanced.  Hording is discouraged.  Base taking, while still possible, is not the focus.  Air combat among the historical plane matchups we all grew up hearing of, and imagining ourselves involved in, is the focus.

People have worked hard over the years to cultivate that kind of enviroment.  For a bunch of noobs to come in pissing all over this tradition in the name of "it's my $15 I'll do what I want" is not only disrespectful, it's flat out shameful.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Oldman731
Wow.

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- oldman (my brain hurts)

Hey Oldman, I think now it has to run its course.  It will be like this for a little bit.  it only took what, 2 weeks for the gloves to come off?  Give it another month max and it will go back to the same 10 to 15 guys visiting.  Low numbers, but at list you can enjoy some fights with them.  Every one plays for different reasons so whats fun for me may not be fun for the others so I am only speaking for my self.  Upping a plane and climbing to 15K to shoot at some buff is not fun for me.  I can do that off line or take a 262 in the MA and really chase them down.

The other difference is the expectation.  In the MA I have no expectations of the other guy.  I don't expect a fair fight nor do I look for one.  If one happens thats fine.  I spent over 30 minutes having good uninterrupted fights with Cobia and some more guys in the MA lats night.  So they do happen there but if I get picked it is fine.  It was expected.  If I see someone coming in for a pick I switch targets and try to give him a face full.  In the AvA, I have the expectation of people staying out of a 2 on 1 or 1 on1.  Why?  Because it is what I and many of the old guys there do.  The only reason I log in to the AvA is that expectation.  With out that expectation there is no reason to waste my time chasing 190s in a p40.  Its stupid.  That is the difference with AvA and MA for me.

In any case.  About a month from now, the missionz guys will be gone since they will be bored and it will be back to normal.  I mean, how many radar towers can you kill before you have to find something else to do? lol.  I just hope next time we don't try to fix something that is not broken.  It was empty because people do not like to fight.  Not fair at list.  So, no need to bring people in just to have bigger numbers.  Think about it.  If people really played this game with the fight in mind the DA would be full and the MAs empty.  All this, assuming that the goal of the AvA was good fights.  if not then ignore this post.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Stang
The AvA has certain standards and traditions.  That is one of the things that makes the AvA what it is.  

It is not the MA.  It is also not the DA.  It is not an anything goes kind of place.  Certain conduct is expected, better yet encouraged, that makes the AvA the most respect filled arena to fight in.  People are encouraged to switch sides to keep things balanced.  Hording is discouraged.  Base taking, while still possible, is not the focus.  Air combat among the historical plane matchups we all grew up hearing of, and imagining ourselves involved in, is the focus.

People have worked hard over the years to cultivate that kind of enviroment.  For a bunch of noobs to come in pissing all over this tradition in the name of "it's my $15 I'll do what I want" is not only disrespectful, it's flat out shameful.

And what he said

[raptor33]

If we split our 9 peoplke into 5 and 4...what kind of cooperative mission can be run with 4 people?
In WB's 277 during its waning days, we used to do the same thing...balance the sides. Problem was, you would switch sides, and then within minutes, the imbalance was there again, but the other way.
When we log on, we do not look at numbers...we are on TS talking about the mission...get our assignments and move forward. We are learning...and learning to do it the right way is what is most impoortant to us right now...not learning to do it to accommodate the requests and demands of others. Not that we are selfish....but we want to get upo to speed quickly...and to break ourselves in two  and have only 4 people in a mission will nothelp our cause.
Like I have said beofre....we hit only one area of the map per night...one area...and contrary to what someone wanted to claim was the case...we do not pick an area where a furball is happening. He admits he was the only one on at the time on his side...and all others were avengers.....so how is it possible that we invaded the area he was playing? Who was he playing with?

[Urchin]

Why play AH at all?  It isn't designed for your type of play at all, at least not until the new version comes out.  That will be right up your squads alley I think.  

IL-2 offers a fantastic co-op mode that might be more along the lines of what you all would enjoy.

[raptor33]

Originally posted by Urchin
Why play AH at all?  It isn't designed for your type of play at all, at least not until the new version comes out.  That will be right up your squads alley I think.  

IL-2 offers a fantastic co-op mode that might be more along the lines of what you all would enjoy.

Why does AH have a set up made for missions if it is not to be used? Why are you forced to stay on one side for a period of time after switching country's if it was designed for switching countries to balance? Why is there a DA if the AvA is the dueling arena? Why is it called AvA? Why does it have more than 2 fields? Why does it have bombers in the plane sets?
Seems to me that the "rules" were not the intended rules...and we are OK with that. We like to do our own thing and to be honest, with the exception of a few, many like to defend against us.
I appreciate your point Urchin.....but we came in here and we are doing what the game was originally designed for. We respect the fact that some of the guys put together a rule book on their own...and we do not interfere with those rules. But if they engage us, we will do what is expected by those that are mission minded.
The AvA was set up by the designers for our style...and of the multiple arenas. it is the one that we find to be the most historically accurate. The day that AH says we cant do it, we will stop.....but I again ask....if missions were not the intended play, why the bombers; why the multiple fields...etc.etc.etc. Come on guys....the time has come to admit it.....this is your sandbox and you dont want anyone else polaying in it unless it is with your home made rules. Truth is, the only way that Avenger game play can affect your good time is if you allow it to. LOL....last night, we had lots of alt and not enaging for a good reason (nission oriented reason), but you guys begged us to come down into your furball....and if we did then we would have been called gang bangers....its a no win with you guys.

[Tiger]

I cannot believe this thread has made it to 3 pages and you are still carrying on like this.

How about this deal...  when you pay the Avenger members $15/month, then you can tell them how to play.  Until then, enjoy shooting the cartoon planes with the red icons above them.

[E25280]

Originally posted by raptor33
If we split our 9 peoplke into 5 and 4...what kind of cooperative mission can be run with 4 people?

Try this for fun . . .

You have 9 people on, make the teams 6 vs. 3.  Set a goal for the 6 (base capture or whatnot).  The other three are "spoilers."  I personally think you learn much the FM more quickly on the defense (so the spoilers benefit), and it will also test your offensive teamwork capabilities.

Since there is no time limit in the AvA to switch back, if the numbers on defense grow, the spoilers can move back and support the mission.

And, by the way, many squads in the MAs run successful "missions" all the time with 3 or 4 players.  It shouldn't be a problem in the AvA when the numbers are limited.

I would also suggest you tailor the difficulty of your mission to the numbers and/or numbers advantage you have.  You don't need to run a 45 minute 9 pilot mission to drop a few radars, for example.  Radars are ridiculously easy to kill -- one pilot per base is all it takes.  Completely flattening a medium sized field with 9 players is a little more challenging, and will concentrate the fight.

Finally, I will re-state my original suggestion that you announce your mission on 200 and invite opposition . . . that is, unless some of these guys are correct and you set the bar so low for yourselves as to achieve all your goals without fighting for them.

I still haven't made it in while your squad has been there in force . . . looking forward to it.

[E25280]

Originally posted by raptor33
Why are you forced to stay on one side for a period of time after switching country's if it was designed for switching countries to balance?

As I said in my post above, there is no time limit for switching in the AvA.

[storch]

why are you guys still bustin raptor's balls?  sheesh.  

fact #1.  it's his 15 bucks
fact #2.  the only constant is change
fact #3.  the AvA needs a shake up of some sort, this is just what the doctor ordered in my opinion.  a group of men who could give a rat's bellybutton what anyone thinks and are going to go about executing their squad nights in any manner they see fit and are openly gay about it.
fact #4.  they make execellent targets.

I ask you what could be more right?

rock on avengers, since I don't have the FoSGs to kick around anymore you guys are perfect surrogates.  see you's up

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by Tiger
I cannot believe this thread has made it to 3 pages and you are still carrying on like this.

How about this deal...  when you pay the Avenger members $15/month, then you can tell them how to play.  Until then, enjoy shooting the cartoon planes with the red icons above them.

I'm going to respectfully take exception to your post here, Tiger.  The "It's my 15 bucks, I can do what I want" rant only goes so far.

When you go to McDonalds and buy a cheeseburger, it doesn't mean you can go take a crap on the table because you paid for a cheeseburger.  Nor can you take off all your clothes and sing "O Sole Mio" at the top of your lungs in the restaurant just because you paid for your meal... unless we live by your credo of "it's my money I can do what I want".

Now, to the rest of the people who also paid for their food and are eating it peacefully in the restaurant, is this fair?  What do you think?  I'll admit that this scenario goes a little far, but acceptable conduct as a concept only bends so far.

[Dichotomy]

Kong you were right.  I'm man enough to admit that.

[storch]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
Storch's comment following this post of your was to warn you of the post coming next...mostly post pointing how how much an idiot Storch is, how much a name calling child he is, and how he has the morals of a $10 hooker, all based on how he is "perceived" on these boards. None of his comments were anything "bad" toward you or your squad.

I'm not an idiot, even you can clearly see that I'm not.  I'm an stunninghunk and a mighty big and powerful one on purpose, especially to people like you.

I'm not a child, I'm an old man.

I wouldn't pay that much for morals especially if they appeal to you.

you do not need to clarify or quantify my statements.  that is for women to do and then to do so incorrectly.

you on the otherhand are probably the most complete idiot I have come across in some time.

go find your short bus son, get back to your village.

[TequilaChaser]

Raptor33,
you keep on insisting it is my assumption of what I saw and not the actual truth.

You keep saying you guys were minding your own business, flying a mission, yet 5 were on 1.

You keep saying that your group does not gang, does not vulch  or does not try to kill people taking off or landing........

I have always posted facts of events......I have to much to lose to fabricate an imaginative encounter .......

I explained that It was Storch and I, who were the only 2 in the arena and we had just finished. Storch logged but 2 had showed up during that time.

and then the rest showed up, and yes it was right where I had been fighting Storch.

now,  the TRUTH of it all, is being zipped and emailed to be hosted here, so I can back up my facts, since you keep refering to "He thinks" or "He assumed"  the "He" you keep refering to is me.

[TequilaChaser]

before I  email the film, I just want to say that it is great to have another dedicated squad to fly in the AvsA.......

but to debate who designed what and who is incharge of or given powers, you should be informed.

The AvsA Staff are an independent volunteer group who run the AvsA as they see fit. They set the rules and style of gameplay. and HTC has hardly ever stepped in to adjust the AvsA Staff's design or wishes, hardly ever if ever at all......

now, it would be nice to see your group come into its own right, here in Aces High.  hopefully it will happen.

only time will tell.