Author Topic: Going Pink? (Read 1926 times)

Tigeress · « **Reply #45 on:** December 01, 2007, 02:27:26 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
yes.. I believe that anyone who won't take the time to learn and use one is not responsible.

You claim you couldn't have one because of the danger to innocents or that you would allow some child to get your gun out of your purse.

Yet... what do you think of standing by and watching a woman or man being assaulted and maybe killed because you can do nothing but call for the police so that they can call the morgue or hospital and take the report?

If you are just insane or so clumsy that you can't operate a motor vehicle or power tools then I can understand.. if you have some phobia.. I can understand. I can't understand your excuses.

It really doesn't matter to me tho. I believe that having 10% of the population carrying concealed is a good enough ratio to make up for the other 90% shirking their responsibility.

If there were no bad guys then none of this would matter of course.

lazs

mmmmmmmmm...

Well, that is certainly food for thought.

And no, I'm of sound mind and not clumsy... am a good and safe driver... shoot, my car even has a stick shift and I am real good at it.
Have driven several motorcycles in my 20s, even drove my boyfriend's car at the drags back then... that was a blast! Had some trouble with one bike because it was too heavy for me.

Not much need for using big power tools but I have a good quality battery power drill for drilling holes to hang stuff and its great for screwing and unscrewing screws; also a little dremel tool and an electric sander for refinishing stuff I rescue from flea markets.

I have confidence I can handle a gun safely and correctly and hit what I aim at with instruction and practice.

I have shot them before, as I said, and it was a lot of fun. The girl shooting the different machine guns in the video I posted was obviously having a lot of fun.

My reluctance has been due to fear I would indirectly cause an innocent person to be harmed... I don't think I would shoot someone by accident though... a gun is always treated as though loaded, even if it is unloaded... my Dad taught me when I first shot one.

TIGERESS

Tigeress · « **Reply #46 on:** December 01, 2007, 02:55:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Tigress,

Depending on where you live you might be able to find an urban indoor range that allows rentals. They often have a fair variety of firearms to rent and that would let you try several styles without having to buy the gun. There is one in my home town and many folks have saved a bunch of money in finding a gun they like to shoot rather than relying on what someone else told them. A firearm is a personal item and what does well for one person doesn't always carry over to another.

Besides, shooting in a nice range is just fun. It would be an interesting change of pace if you decided you might want have an afternoon or evening doing something different.

Very good suggestion, Maverick. I have started googling around locally to see what is what. Looks like I would have to take at least a class in state gun law to even qualify for a permit.

Having other women around and in the know would be highly preferable than just going to a range where there are all guys. I have some research to do now.

Lazs has really got me thinking...

TIGERESS

Tigeress · « **Reply #47 on:** December 01, 2007, 03:32:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Halo
Funny but a gun too light for fun shooting started me into a couple years of gun research and selective acquisition. I had a Colt Agent lightweight .38 5-shot revolver with 2-inch barrel.

It was to be the primary home defense gun, and carryable if needed. So I took it to the range to practice. UGH! Nasty little thing. Terrible blast and recoil.

A detour into fancy designer ammo (e.g., +P and zoomier bullets) soon convinced me it's much better to just buy a heavier standard caliber -- more effective, cheaper, more available, more proven.

Quickly traded it for a Ruger .357 4-inch barrel that was more pleasant to fire in .357 Magnum than the lightweight was in .38. But I still had no need for .357 and did not like the heavier blast and recoil. .38 was marginal enough to inspire enough +P mushroomies to outnumber mushroom veggies in a supermarket.

So after more research, including many revolvers and semiautos, found my compatible in the Springfield XD .45 ACP with 4-inch barrel and a 13-round magazine. Amazing firepower and value, absolutely the best all-around handgun for home defense and target shooting for my needs.

It's twice as effective with a Glock 21 laser/light. Unbeatable for checking out any potential problems at night or bad visibility.

You might want to try the .45 ACP, but I have a hunch you might prefer the .40. Compare them both. Then you'll be sure what you prefer. I personally think anything lighter like .38, 9mm, and .32 is not enough oomph.

It's like not buying a car until you've driven a Toyota Camry and Honda Accord. Drive a Springfield XD .45 ACP and .40 (and, okay, maybe another similar brand). Then you have a really solid basis for comparing any other equipment you're considering.

When googling the Guardian 32NAA I read somewhere it shoots fire five feet out from the barrel and has lower kick and enhanced hitting power due to the 32NAA bullets it uses. I am definately not up on gun tech talk but I could get up to speed with homework and research... I'm not an engineer for nothing.

Also, I have yet to find anything negative on the net about the guardian 32NAA; rather, quite the reverse...
for example, see --> http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/mousegun.htm

I wouldn't buy a gun without trying a variety of them and getting lots of advice as well.

TIGERESS

SIG220 · « **Reply #48 on:** December 01, 2007, 08:55:19 PM »

The new 2nd Generation Civilian Taser ( Called the Taser C2 ), just started shipping last month. There is about a 7 week backorder on them right now, but my new C2's are supposed to arrive in 2 weeks, just in time for Christmas.

These are very handy and lightweight weapons. This new generation has a powerful LED flashlight built in to help you see your target in the dark, and also a laser sight, that makes aiming it very quick and easy to do.

Its range is only 15 ft. But the 50,000 volts that it delivers is guaranteed to stop any attacker, and knock them to the ground. The person simply loses all control of their muscles.

The battery can provide power for up to 50 30 second cycles of shocks. So if you want to shock the person longer than 30 seconds, that can easily be done. You can also remove the cartridge from the gun, and run away, after shocking the person. The C2 Taser then turns into a stun gun, that is still able to deliver 50,000 volts, by making contact with the person and pulling the trigger.

Taser International has been concentrating on the Law Enforcement market for the past several years. But now that they have been widely adopted by Law Enforcement, they are looking to expand their presence with civilians with this new improved model, that is smaller and less expensive than their previous civilian model, yet offers the same 50,000 volts of power as their police models.

Here is their ad targeting women:

And here is the metallic pink version of the Taser C2, for female owners:

Note the two openings at the bottom, where the LED flashlight and laser aiming sights reside.

The only drawback to this weapon is that some self-defense experts say that if a woman pulls it out of her purse and aims it at someone, they are going to think that they are pointing a lady's electric shaver at them.

Consequently, any owners should simply yell: TASER!! at the top of their voice when displaying the weapon. Doing that should get any potential attacker's attention fast, as the Taser has earned quite a reputation in recent years.

Just look at what a Taser did to this big 340 lb guy who decided to mess with police officers and resist arrest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSVQUdXUkA8

Just listen to the guy's comments at the end of the video.

SIG 220

SIG220 · « **Reply #49 on:** December 01, 2007, 09:09:59 PM »

I forgot to mention the price of the new C2: $349 with the laser sight option, and $299 without. In my opinion, the extra $50 for the laser sight is more than well worth the extra money. For without it, you really then have nothing to truly aim with.

In any event, this is less than what a decent handgun now costs.

The guns are inactive and non-functional when they are shipped from the factory. They can only become active by the person registering the Taser with Taser International, and having a background check done. This is all done through their website, and there is a $10 fee for the registration and background check. Once the background check is approved, they give you an activation code that you can then enter into the Taser to make it function.

A registration record is thus kept of your ownership of the weapon. This, as well as the criminal background check and activation code, are all meant to prevent them from being used by any criminals.

SIG 220

Halo · « **Reply #50 on:** December 01, 2007, 11:42:35 PM »

(quote) When googling the Guardian 32NAA I read somewhere it shoots fire five feet out from the barrel and has lower kick and enhanced hitting power due to the 32NAA bullets it uses. I am definately not up on gun tech talk but I could get up to speed with homework and research... I'm not an engineer for nothing.

Also, I have yet to find anything negative on the net about the guardian 32NAA; rather, quite the reverse...
for example, see --> http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/mousegun.htm

I wouldn't buy a gun without trying a variety of them and getting lots of advice as well. (unquote)

To me, that review says what most mouse gun reviews say: Buy a mouse gun only as a last resort because it's best feature (easy carry) makes it no fun to shoot, and it can never be as effective as a bigger gun in a more traditional cartridge size.

When I was looking for an optimum (favorite word) handgun, I also fired mouse guns like Kahr and Kel-Tec. I agree with nearly everyone else that they are NOT fun to fire. That big flash is inefficient waste of unburned powder because the barrel is too short.

Get a gun large enough that you will enjoy firing it enough to become proficient with it. If you read about big flash and recoil, the gun is not big enough for the cartridge.

Tigeress · « **Reply #51 on:** December 02, 2007, 08:51:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Halo
(quote) When googling the Guardian 32NAA I read somewhere it shoots fire five feet out from the barrel and has lower kick and enhanced hitting power due to the 32NAA bullets it uses. I am definately not up on gun tech talk but I could get up to speed with homework and research... I'm not an engineer for nothing.

Also, I have yet to find anything negative on the net about the guardian 32NAA; rather, quite the reverse...
for example, see --> http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/mousegun.htm

I wouldn't buy a gun without trying a variety of them and getting lots of advice as well. (unquote)

To me, that review says what most mouse gun reviews say: Buy a mouse gun only as a last resort because it's best feature (easy carry) makes it no fun to shoot, and it can never be as effective as a bigger gun in a more traditional cartridge size.

When I was looking for an optimum (favorite word) handgun, I also fired mouse guns like Kahr and Kel-Tec. I agree with nearly everyone else that they are NOT fun to fire. That big flash is inefficient waste of unburned powder because the barrel is too short.

Get a gun large enough that you will enjoy firing it enough to become proficient with it. If you read about big flash and recoil, the gun is not big enough for the cartridge.

Hi Halo,

Thanks for your thoughtful post.

I have been busy reading and studying.

After doing some in depth reading, I have learned yours and the other guys' posted sentiments here are on target with the commonly expressed views of the gun community at large on compact guns aka pocket guns aka mouse guns.

Compact guns are a compromise of reduced performance and less desirable behaviors for the sake of carry stealth.

I also read compact stealth guns are not considered "fun to shoot guns" due to the short barrel and small size but the compact gun has its deserved place thus many are sold and carried with the trade-offs understood and accepted.

I now have more of an understanding of the trade-offs of a compact over normal sized handguns.

Stealth and lower weight are significant factors for me and the resulting trade-offs are acceptable as I understand them. Still, I will need to actually fire compacts to see if I can tolerate the bad habits.

The 32NAA bullets, as I have read, is an effort of optimization to help reduce the performance losses and help reduce undesirable behaviors like recoil a compact design causes as much as possible but nothing is ever going to make a compact behave like a normal sized handgun.

Also, I have read having that laser sight is a good idea as the compact gun is a point and shoot, not an accurate long distance device that one would take steady aim with for a distance shot.

How am I doing? Am I getting it or am I off base?

TIGERESS

Tigeress · « **Reply #52 on:** December 02, 2007, 09:07:48 AM »

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Originally posted by SIG220
The new 2nd Generation Civilian Taser ( Called the Taser C2 ), just started shipping last month. There is about a 7 week backorder on them right now, but my new C2's are supposed to arrive in 2 weeks, just in time for Christmas.

These are very handy and lightweight weapons. This new generation has a powerful LED flashlight built in to help you see your target in the dark, and also a laser sight, that makes aiming it very quick and easy to do.

Its range is only 15 ft. But the 50,000 volts that it delivers is guaranteed to stop any attacker, and knock them to the ground. The person simply loses all control of their muscles.

The battery can provide power for up to 50 30 second cycles of shocks. So if you want to shock the person longer than 30 seconds, that can easily be done. You can also remove the cartridge from the gun, and run away, after shocking the person. The C2 Taser then turns into a stun gun, that is still able to deliver 50,000 volts, by making contact with the person and pulling the trigger.

Taser International has been concentrating on the Law Enforcement market for the past several years. But now that they have been widely adopted by Law Enforcement, they are looking to expand their presence with civilians with this new improved model, that is smaller and less expensive than their previous civilian model, yet offers the same 50,000 volts of power as their police models.

Here is their ad targeting women:

And here is the metallic pink version of the Taser C2, for female owners:

Note the two openings at the bottom, where the LED flashlight and laser aiming sights reside.

The only drawback to this weapon is that some self-defense experts say that if a woman pulls it out of her purse and aims it at someone, they are going to think that they are pointing a lady's electric shaver at them.

Consequently, any owners should simply yell: TASER!! at the top of their voice when displaying the weapon. Doing that should get any potential attacker's attention fast, as the Taser has earned quite a reputation in recent years.

Just look at what a Taser did to this big 340 lb guy who decided to mess with police officers and resist arrest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSVQUdXUkA8

Just listen to the guy's comments at the end of the video.

SIG 220

Hi SIG 220,

Thank you very much for your post! wow

I will investigate this taser carefully. It is also quite beautifully designed.

The color in the picture is not pink, however... it is lavender (orchid)
and is one of my very favorite colors.

Perhaps they were meaning to say it also comes in pink?

Thanks again, dear.

TIGERESS

Tigeress · « **Reply #53 on:** December 02, 2007, 09:53:06 AM »

TASER C2

I visited their website and reviewed the specifications and information.
I think it is way overpriced but without real competition they can charge whatever the market will bear.

http://www.taser.com/products/consumers/Pages/C2.aspx

It is not an extreme cold weather device; the battery needs to be kept from going too low on temperature but that could be overcome by wearing it in close contact with the body if necessary. I would like to see a power vs temp plot but its not avaliable at their site.
Operation temp range is -4F to 122F

They did get it wrong on the color; they call it pink on their website and it is not pink; it is lavender. Glad it isn't pink.

Soo Lazs... looks like a gun permit and a carry permit is required.

Lazs, does this qualify as being a responsible citizen if carried and used as an equiv to a firearm?

TIGERESS

PS: This is a situation that always makes me fearful...

WWhiskey · « **Reply #54 on:** December 02, 2007, 09:53:09 AM »

please dont shoot me with it as you could kill me and those like me with certain heart conditions o and what about pacemakers
the police are killing people with these things!
most muggers wont have a heart condition or a pacemaker so for a woman trying to protect herself i can see this as ok, but the police seem to be shooting first with this thing and asking questions later! unfortunatly the dead people on the other end cant say why they died! or or why they might have appeared to be resitant ,some still beleive they have a right to argue there case at the seen of a traffic ticket and some officers cant seem to tell the difference between arguing youur case and resisting a ticket that should not have resulted in resisting arrest.
yea i probably got a little off topic this is just a very hot issue for me

Tigeress · « **Reply #55 on:** December 02, 2007, 10:06:09 AM »

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Originally posted by WWhiskey
please dont shoot me with it as you could kill me and those like me with certain heart conditions o and what about pacemakers
the police are killing people with these things!
most muggers wont have a heart condition or a pacemaker so for a woman trying to protect herself i can see this as ok, but the police seem to be shooting first with this thing and asking questions later! unfortunatly the dead people on the other end cant say why they died! or or why they might have appeared to be resitant ,some still beleive they have a right to argue there case at the seen of a traffic ticket and some officers cant seem to tell the difference between arguing youur case and resisting a ticket that should not have resulted in resisting arrest.
yea i probably got a little off topic this is just a very hot issue for me

Hi WWhiskey,

Why don't you start a thread on Tasers? I think it is an excellent topic!!!!

If you are attacking me physically, would you rather I shoot you with a firearm or this taser?

Anyone attacking me while I am armed? I will shoot you where you stand... taser or firearm.

Problem with the police is they are using the taser to make someone cooperate rather than physical person to person force. I believe the TASER is being misused by police department in this regards.

"Shut uppa you face ma'am or I will taser you" does NOT cut it...

TIGERESS

Halo · « **Reply #56 on:** December 02, 2007, 10:09:31 AM »

(quote) How am I doing? Am I getting it or am I off base?
TIGERESS (unquote)

You get an A, Tigeress.

lazs2 · « **Reply #57 on:** December 02, 2007, 10:34:35 AM »

tigress.. sorry to be so blunt.. I pretty much assumed that you could drive and use power tools and that you are not too insane even tho you are a woman.

I think that it is human nature to want to defend yourself and others..

It is excellent advice to go to a range that rents firearms and try a variety. The gun you like and feel comfortable with and shoot well is the best one. Truth is.. even my little walther ppk in 32 auto is a great gun.. a zillion cops carried em for backup for decades.. and still do for that matter.. they will work. The problem is that, while they will kill... they may not make the bad guy fall down right away.

It is difficult.. too difficult to get a permit to carry. Some places it is not possible. this is a clear infrigement on our rights but.. it is what it is.

You are left with the option of illegal firearms carry. You become a criminal if you exercise your right and responsibility.

Many people are brave. they will attack to defend themselves or others using nothing but their hands against great odds... it is far better to be both brave and smart tho.

Anyone who does own a firearm owes it to themselves and the rest of us tho to learn the very simple safe practice rules and to become proficient with it.

lazs

Tigeress · « **Reply #58 on:** December 02, 2007, 01:15:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Halo
(quote) How am I doing? Am I getting it or am I off base?
TIGERESS (unquote)

You get an A, Tigeress.

TANKS DEAR!!!!!!!!!

TIGERESS

WWhiskey · « **Reply #59 on:** December 02, 2007, 01:47:03 PM »

agree with you i do!
absolutly you or i should be able to defend ourselves and yes a tazer would be better than a pistol, for the bad guys!
i just think the police are out of control as a whole inthere ability to taze anyone they choose in the interest of the public good!