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« Reply #60 on: December 02, 2007, 04:28:36 PM »
Some quotes I've collected that offer food for thought and a DIFFERENT way of viewing firearms........

"Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it."

"In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some."

"When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender."

"There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly."

"Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable."

"When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act."


I've often had a thought that comes to mind when I've meant people that react with fear to when I've been carrying a firearm.

"Only the guilty flee when none pursue"

I put forward something I read once but will use my own wording as I can't remember exactly how the original was worded.......

....If I enter you home and I am armed I am saying to you and all others I will defend your home as if it were my own.....


IMHO a firearm is a FRIEND.  A dangerous friend?  YES, but still it is a friend!  I can say this because I have NO desire, or need to force my will upon another.

HOWEVER there can be times when being armed with a firearm is undesirable...

When I am armed it is on ME to act in a civil, reasonable, calm manner.  For I have the ability to apply lethal force upon others.  You will find the COURTS agree with this perception of being armed.

The courts place a greater BURDEN of action and interaction upon the armed person over the unarmed person.  And that IMHO is as it should be.  

So in an argument the burden is automatically upon the armed individual! IMHO This in part made many prefer to be unarmed.  So they could argue, disagree, perhaps even push another about, without the fear of repercussions, or accusations of attempted murder, in a court of law.  For an armed person arguing with an unarmed person COULD find themselves in DEEP trouble!

This of course could be mitigated somewhat by who starts the argument/altercation and who tries to continues it, yet the burden still is on the armed individual.  Even if it is legally concealed, this still applies.



A good book you may find of interest is "in the Gravest Extreme" written by Masaad Ayoob (OK I think thats the way it's spelled)

He has often been called as an expert witness.

Another book you might find of interest is "Armed and Female"  written by Paxton Quigly ( OK spelling again LOL)  

She wrote a very good book, I lent a friends wife the book and not long afterward both obtained firearms and CCW permits.  I helped them both choose their preferred firearm.  There was a range near us that rented handguns.  They tried several out, including some of mine.  She chose a Ruger wheelgun in 357 and later even had a trigger job done on it.  He chose a Kimber 45 Officers model type.  This was done after both gave it considerable thought and sole searching BTW.
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« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2007, 04:42:55 PM »
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absolutly you or i should be able to defend ourselves and yes a tazer would be better than a pistol, for the bad guys!


I'd much rather be able to shoot someone than taze them.  To taze, you gotta get pretty up close.   With a gun, you can shoot them before they get into arms reach.
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« Reply #62 on: December 02, 2007, 06:09:57 PM »
I'd rather do neither. Trouble is easier to avoid than deal with if you are aware of your surroundings. Prudent choices in where to go and what to do coupled with situational awareness have more to do with staying safe than pure chance.

If trouble finds me anyhow, I'd rather be able to deal with it just once. I've gone in harms way before and no longer go looking for it.
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« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2007, 06:39:53 PM »
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I'd rather do neither. Trouble is easier to avoid than deal with if you are aware of your surroundings. Prudent choices in where to go and what to do coupled with situational awareness have more to do with staying safe than pure chance.

Excellent point :aok
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« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2007, 07:54:26 PM »
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I'd rather do neither. Trouble is easier to avoid than deal with if you are aware of your surroundings. Prudent choices in where to go and what to do coupled with situational awareness have more to do with staying safe than pure chance.

If trouble finds me anyhow, I'd rather be able to deal with it just once. I've gone in harms way before and no longer go looking for it.



He covers just that REPEATEDLY in his book...

A good book you may find of interest is "in the Gravest Extreme" written by Masaad Ayoob (OK I think thats the way it's spelled)

Ands so does she.....

"Armed and Female" written by Paxton Quigly ( OK spelling again LOL)
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« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2007, 08:16:16 PM »
Wrag,

Ayoob is a prolific writer and a pretty straight talking individual. I used to read his column as well as Skeeter Skelton every month. I was impressed by both of them. We lost a good writer when Skelton passed.

IIRC it was Cooper that codified the states of awareness using the colors green, amber and red. What he wrote about and described made a lot of sense and still does. Trouble avoided through awareness of it is trouble defeated in the best manner.
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« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2007, 08:34:33 PM »
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TASER C2

I visited their website and reviewed the specifications and information.
I think it is way overpriced but without real competition they can charge whatever the market will bear.

http://www.taser.com/products/consumers/Pages/C2.aspx

It is not an extreme cold weather device; the battery needs to be kept from going too low on temperature but that could be overcome by wearing it in close contact with the body if necessary. I would like to see a power vs temp plot but its not avaliable at their site.  
Operation temp range is -4F to 122F

They did get it wrong on the color; they call it pink on their website and it is not pink; it is lavender. Glad it isn't pink.

Soo Lazs... looks like a gun permit and a carry permit is required.

Lazs, does this qualify as being a responsible citizen if carried and used as an equiv to a firearm?

TIGERESS

PS: This is a situation that always makes me fearful...


Tigeress, I'll be honest. I'd MUCH rather that my wife carried a .32 magnum revolver or a small 9mm Auto than trust her life to a Tazer. The company's brochure for the C2 says it all.

15 feet in not a very great distance. It can be outranged by a badguy with a friggin' well-thrown rock.

The little probes' have been known to simply stick in a heavy quilted or leather coat, and not deliver the charge.

I know, alot of shooting situation's are inside of 15 feet- sometimes as little as 7. But if the electrode just hits the guys' jacket, and either bounces off, or just sticks' in the jacket and not even make contact, You won't have a second chance-at that point, The attacker will have closed the distance enough to be physical. And I'm sorry to say, most of the time, the woman loses that fight to a man.

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« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2007, 02:05:06 AM »
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Wrag,

Ayoob is a prolific writer and a pretty straight talking individual. I used to read his column as well as Skeeter Skelton every month. I was impressed by both of them. We lost a good writer when Skelton passed.

IIRC it was Cooper that codified the states of awareness using the colors green, amber and red. What he wrote about and described made a lot of sense and still does. Trouble avoided through awareness of it is trouble defeated in the best manner.



Ahhhh Jeff Cooper :D  

A Marine BTW :D

Pretty sure you recall correctly :D


JEFF COOPER’S RULES FOR GUN SAFETY

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RULE I:  ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

There are no exceptions. Do not pretend that this is true. Some people and organizations take this rule and weaken it; e.g. "Treat all guns as if they were loaded." Unfortunately, the "as if" compromises the directness of the statement by implying that they are unloaded, but we will treat them as though they are loaded. No good! Safety rules must be worded forcefully so that they are never treated lightly or reduced to partial compliance.

All guns are always loaded - period!

This must be your mind-set. If someone hands you a firearm and says, "Don't worry, it's not loaded," you do not dare believe him. You need not be impolite, but check it yourself. Remember, there are no accidents, only negligent acts. Check it. Do not let yourself fall prey to a situation where you might feel compelled to squeal, "I didn't know it was loaded!"


RULE II:  NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

Conspicuously and continuously violated, especially with pistols, Rule II applies whether you are involved in range practice, daily carry, or examination. If the weapon is assembled and in someone's hands, it is capable of being discharged. A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone. Only when handled is there a need for concern. This rule applies to fighting as well as to daily handling. If you are not willing to take a human life, do not cover a person with the muzzle. This rule also applies to your own person. Do not allow the muzzle to cover your extremities, e.g. using both hands to reholster the pistol. This practice is unsound, both procedurally and tactically. You may need a free hand for something important. Proper holster design should provide for one-handed holstering, so avoid holsters which collapse after withdrawing the pistol. (Note: It is dangerous to push the muzzle against the inside edge of the holster nearest the body to "open" it since this results in your pointing the pistol at your midsection.) Dry-practice in the home is a worthwhile habit and it will result in more deeply programmed reflexes. Most of the reflexes involved in the Modern Technique do not require that a shot be fired. Particular procedures for dry-firing in the home will be covered later. Let it suffice for now that you do not dry-fire using a "target" that you wish not to see destroyed. (Recall RULE I as well.)


RULE III:  KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

Rule III is violated most anytime the uneducated person handles a firearm. Whether on TV, in the theaters, or at the range, people seem fascinated with having their finger on the trigger. Never stand or walk around with your finger on the trigger. It is unprofessional, dangerous, and, perhaps most damaging to the psyche, it is klutzy looking. Never fire a shot unless the sights are superimposed on the target and you have made a conscious decision to fire. Firing an unaligned pistol in a fight gains nothing. If you believe that the defensive pistol is only an intimidation tool - not something to be used - carry blanks, or better yet, reevaluate having one around. If you are going to launch a projectile, it had best be directed purposely. Danger abounds if you allow your finger to dawdle inside the trigger guard. As soon as the sights leave the target, the trigger-finger leaves the trigger and straightens alongside the frame. Since the hand normally prefers to work as a unit - as in grasping - separating the function of the trigger-finger from the rest of the hand takes effort. The five-finger grasp is a deeply programmed reflex. Under sufficient stress, and with the finger already placed on the trigger, an unexpected movement, misstep or surprise could result in a negligent discharge. Speed cannot be gained from such a premature placement of the trigger-finger. Bringing the sights to bear on the target, whether from the holster or the Guard Position, takes more time than that required for moving the trigger finger an inch or so to the trigger.


RULE IV:  BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

Know what it is, what is in line with it, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything you have not positively identified. Be aware of your surroundings, whether on the range or in a fight. Do not assume anything. Know what you are doing.
SUMMARY

Make these rules a part of your character. Never compromise them. Improper gunhandling results from ignorance and improper role modeling, such as handling your gun like your favorite actor does. Education can cure this. You can make a difference by following these gunhandling rules and insisting that those around you do the same. Set the example. Who knows what tragedies you, or someone you influence, may prevent?
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Re: TASER C2
« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2007, 04:58:53 AM »
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TASER C2

I visited their website and reviewed the specifications and information.
I think it is way overpriced but without real competition they can charge whatever the market will bear.


While it is true that they have no real competition, I'm not so sure that you can then automatically assume that the price is a rip-off.

I just paid $300 recently for a compact Canon Digital camera.   And I paid $650 for my last handgun.   $350 for the more expensive model with the laser sight seems reasonable to me.  Why do you think it is so very overpriced?

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It is not an extreme cold weather device; the battery needs to be kept from going too low on temperature but that could be overcome by wearing it in close contact with the body if necessary. I would like to see a power vs temp plot but its not avaliable at their site.  
Operation temp range is -4F to 122F


-4F is 36 degrees below freezing.  That is really exceptionally cold.  Does your purse ever really get that cold?     People will generally carry the Taser C2 concealed, which will generally mean close to their body.  Do you live in a really cold state like Montana, North Dakota, or Alaska?  You might need to be a little more careful if so.   But I don't see that from making it impractical to use.

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Soo Lazs... looks like a gun permit and a carry permit is required.

Lazs, does this qualify as being a responsible citizen if carried and used as an equiv to a firearm?


What state do you live in Tigress?   Most states have no regulations at all about carrying Tasers concealed.   No permit of any kind is required.  I've lived in California, Nevada, and Oregon, and only California has limited restrictions that only ban carrying them into government facilities or schools.

According to Taser International, it is legal to own and carry, except in the following states:  "DC, MA, RI, NY, NJ, WI, MI, HI & certain cities & counties."  If you don't live in one of these states, you should have nothing to worry about in carrying a Taser.

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« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2007, 05:13:21 AM »
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15 feet in not a very great distance. It can be outranged by a badguy with a friggin' well-thrown rock.


And how many cases have there been where you live recently, or women being assaulted with rocks???

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The little probes' have been known to simply stick in a heavy quilted or leather coat, and not deliver the charge.

I know, alot of shooting situation's are inside of 15 feet- sometimes as little as 7. But if the electrode just hits the guys' jacket, and either bounces off, or just sticks' in the jacket and not even make contact


You are making an assumption here that the woman is not going to aim for her attacker's balls.  A would be rapist would freak out if he saw the red dot of the laser sight focused on his wiener.

Unlike bullets, the Taser is effective no matter where on the body it strikes.  If heavy clothing really could so easily defeat it ( as you claim ), law enforcement would not have adopted it to the level that it has.

God help a poor rapist, though, if a taser probe ever did hit his manhood.  Remember that the person controlling the taser could then keep on applying shocks, until the battery is drained.   That could mean up to 25 minutes of agony.

Not that any woman would ever be so mean and cruel to a man trying to rape her.

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« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2007, 05:38:24 AM »
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agree with you i do!
absolutly you or i should be able to defend ourselves and yes a tazer would be better than a pistol, for the bad guys!


I have to disagree with you on that.  

Here in Oregon where I live, it is a crime to brandish a firearm and threaten someone with it.   So unless you have absolute proof that you were acting in self-defense, or other witnesses to back you up, you can actually end up in jail for pulling out a handgun to protect yourself.

No such law exists in Oregon for displaying a taser in self defense.  It is legally not considered to be a firearm.

A prominent retired citizen two years ago here in the county that I live in brandished a handgun and fired shots in the air, to get rid of some young adults in their late teens and early 20's who were trespassing on his property in a rural area.   Now, he claimed that they had threatened him, and that he acted in self-defense.   But the others all said otherwise.   It was his word against that of all of the others.

So even though they indeed were illegally trespassing on his land, he was convicted, and sent to jail.

One can also get into trouble legally if one escalates the violence level.   Let's say that you get into a heated argument with someone, and they physically attack you.   Well, you may feel that your life is threatened, and that it is OK to then shoot the person.

But that will often not hold up well in court.   Just because someone punches you, does not necessarily mean that you have the right to shoot and kill them.

I'm getting a Taser to AUGMENT carrying a handgun.   If a person is not armed with a gun or knife, but still threatening me, I can pull out a Taser and never be found guilty of any crime for displaying it.

And if worse came to worse, and using the Taser failed to resolve a situation, I could always then go for my handgun as a last resort.  

People generally do not need a permit to carry a taser in most states too.   There are a number of states, most noticeably the biggest one: California, where concealed carry permits for handguns are virtually impossible to get.   But anyone in California can legally carry a Taser, without having to get any kind of permit, or even training on how to use it.

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« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2007, 06:37:04 AM »
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I have to disagree with you on that.  

Here in Oregon where I live, it is a crime to brandish a firearm and threaten someone with it.   So unless you have absolute proof that you were acting in self-defense, or other witnesses to back you up, you can actually end up in jail for pulling out a handgun to protect yourself.

No such law exists in Oregon for displaying a taser in self defense.  It is legally not considered to be a firearm.

A prominent retired citizen two years ago here in the county that I live in brandished a handgun and fired shots in the air, to get rid of some young adults in their late teens and early 20's who were trespassing on his property in a rural area.   Now, he claimed that they had threatened him, and that he acted in self-defense.   But the others all said otherwise.   It was his word against that of all of the others.

So even though they indeed were illegally trespassing on his land, he was convicted, and sent to jail.

One can also get into trouble legally if one escalates the violence level.   Let's say that you get into a heated argument with someone, and they physically attack you.   Well, you may feel that your life is threatened, and that it is OK to then shoot the person.

But that will often not hold up well in court.   Just because someone punches you, does not necessarily mean that you have the right to shoot and kill them.

I'm getting a Taser to AUGMENT carrying a handgun.   If a person is not armed with a gun or knife, but still threatening me, I can pull out a Taser and never be found guilty of any crime for displaying it.

And if worse came to worse, and using the Taser failed to resolve a situation, I could always then go for my handgun as a last resort.  

People generally do not need a permit to carry a taser in most states too.   There are a number of states, most noticeably the biggest one: California, where concealed carry permits for handguns are virtually impossible to get.   But anyone in California can legally carry a Taser, without having to get any kind of permit, or even training on how to use it.

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I find that I have to disagree with you on some of what you have thus far said.

Kalifornia gets rather sticky where ANY self defense is used.  Sadly, defending yourself with weapons can get you imprisoned.  Even using your fist, feet, knees etc can get you in trouble.  The Tazer is NO exception to this type of reaction by the state of Kalifornia.  Thinkin maybe an assumption has been made?

That is why I left that state.

15 feet away?  

HMMMM so you have never heard the statement that someone with a certain type of concealable hand weapon, can kill a law enforcement officer, or you, BEFORE they, or you, can draw a firearm?

Think the maximum distance away has been PROVEN to be right about 35 feet?

For that matter someone within 15 feet can move fast enough and swing hard enough that they can do considerable damage with just a fist sized rock in their hand before you can draw and fire either a tazer or firearm.

Sure such attacks are RARE.  That is not the point.

Best defense is to pay close attention to what is going on around you ALL the time.

Criminals tend to pay close attention to BODY LANGUAGE and FACIAL EXPRESSION and VOICE INFLECTION.  

If you present the wrong type it will draw them like flies to manure.

The brandishing a firearm situation is pretty much a VERY BAD thing to do in any state.  

You pull it out YOU better be intending on using it OR leave it concealed.  

WAY too many people think it's some kinda magic wand, that all you have to do is produce it and wave it about and it will solve your problem.

And if you actually fire a shot, YOUR life, or the LIFE of an innocent person, BETTER be in danger. Oops forgot LIMB!  If someone is trying to cripple or maim you that also is defensible.

These things GENERALLY hold true in every State of the Union. *WARNING*

NOTICE:  *I say Generally because it is YOUR DUTY to check and see if that is the case in the State you are IN.*

The books I mentioned earlier cover such things fairly well IMHO.
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Re: Re: TASER C2
« Reply #72 on: December 03, 2007, 11:38:49 AM »
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While it is true that they have no real competition, I'm not so sure that you can then automatically assume that the price is a rip-off.

I just paid $300 recently for a compact Canon Digital camera.   And I paid $650 for my last handgun.   $350 for the more expensive model with the laser sight seems reasonable to me.  Why do you think it is so very overpriced?

 

-4F is 36 degrees below freezing.  That is really exceptionally cold.  Does your purse ever really get that cold?     People will generally carry the Taser C2 concealed, which will generally mean close to their body.  Do you live in a really cold state like Montana, North Dakota, or Alaska?  You might need to be a little more careful if so.   But I don't see that from making it impractical to use.

 

What state do you live in Tigress?   Most states have no regulations at all about carrying Tasers concealed.   No permit of any kind is required.  I've lived in California, Nevada, and Oregon, and only California has limited restrictions that only ban carrying them into government facilities or schools.

According to Taser International, it is legal to own and carry, except in the following states:  "DC, MA, RI, NY, NJ, WI, MI, HI & certain cities & counties."  If you don't live in one of these states, you should have nothing to worry about in carrying a Taser.

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I live in one of those states.

For many reasons I can think of, a taser is lot better than nothing and a compact gun is better than a taser; its only good for one probe launch so if two are more attackers are working together its not really going to help except for the stun gun mode.

Both would be better than either one or the other, I think.

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« Reply #73 on: December 03, 2007, 01:40:00 PM »
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« Reply #74 on: December 03, 2007, 02:16:10 PM »
Sig220,

Do not think that a taser will allow you to threaten another person with legal impunity. Just like the example you gave with the old guy firing shots in the air, it will come down to your word against theirs. Threatening and intimidating with the taser will likely be treated as an assault (as opposed to a battery or actually carrying through of the threat) with a weapon. Just because a taser is not considered a deadly weapon like a firearm it will certainly fall into the category of a weapon none the less. Similar to a night stick / baton or other less than lethal weapons.

You also leave yourself wide open to a law suit and if they have more witnesses than do you, the preponderance of guilt (a far lower standard than criminal) will not likely swing your way.

In short, if you brandish or threaten another person with the taser you had better have all of your ducks in a row and be able to demonstrate that you had more than reasonable need to do so.
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