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An illegal immigrant making the border crossing from Mexico to Tuscon, Arizona knowingly gave up his chance to find a home in the United States in order to save the life of a young boy stranded in the desert after the van in which he was riding left the road and crashed at the bottom of a 300ft cliff. The boy, whose mother was killed in the crash, was dressed only in shorts and unprepared for the cold of a winter night in the desert.

The man made a fire and watched over the boy through the night, until a hunting party found them the next morning. The boy has been reunited with his surviving family, and the man has since been returned to Mexico.
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2007, 09:25:27 AM »
Wow no kidding.. hadn't heard of it yet..
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2007, 09:35:45 AM »
Yeah, lets get all weepy because one illegal did the right thing.  Almost balances all the deaths due to illegal immigrants I guess?  

Not to minimize that guys actions, he probably saved the kids life, but that is one thing which on balance with all the deaths caused by illegals including those killed by illegals driving under the influence doesn't make a huge argument for the illegals.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 09:56:05 AM »
in tucson there trying to get the guy a visa so he can live here
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2007, 10:30:02 AM »
! Here is what they cost us ......



1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html< FONT face=Arial color=black size=4>

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
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8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http:// premium . cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/06 10/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are
caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The ill! egal aliens in the United State s have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millio ns of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Ins titute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.r ense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

 

The total cost is a whooping .

 

$ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR
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! Here is what they cost us ......



The total cost is a whooping .

 

$ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR


But....but....BUT...It saved ONE life, so it must be worth it!!!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2007, 11:29:52 AM »
Yeah Dago, because I'm SURE legal residents aren't responsible for death and injury in this country.

Incidentally, recent studies have found that the cost of supporting illegals have actually been greatly OVER-estimated.
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2007, 11:31:38 AM »
There is no doubt that there have been some good and decent folks who come accross the line into the US. That individual is one of them. IMO he deserves a chance at a legal stay here.

For another side of the same coin there are others who come here to steal and rob. They also have others who knowingly try to manipulate the system (anchor babies) to make a place for themselves without bothering to go through the legal methods of gaining admission. There are also many who want to live here but have no intention of being citizens.

The trick is to find the good ones who want to live a decent life and help support the nation they are adopting and remove the others who are just preying on the country.
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2007, 12:00:38 PM »
Saxman even a null cost of supporting illegal residents wouldn't void their intentions not to integrate...  What possible reason could you have for supporting more sand in the clockwork?  
If for no other reason, they're delaying proper immigrants that'd actualy improve things rather than questionably weigh them down at best, and spoil it all for no good reason at worst.

The argument that illegals have made beneficial contribution to the country after all looks like a bright side of the moon argument, totaly incongruous.  Any population sample as vast as the whole of illegal immigrants in the US will have a few exceptionaly good and bad apples, it's just a bell curve... It's the world upside down! :lol

Because a few nazis had good hearts and were indeed not even nazis at heart but just caught in the times' whirlpool, nazi ideology is right?  Is that the sort of statistical spinning you're trying to pull off here?
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2007, 12:15:49 PM »
this will be a non issue once we become the North American Union, also know as the country of Canamerxico, we will all be brothers, now i have to get back to my spanish lessons.

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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2007, 12:22:29 PM »
The point is that Illegals are like EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET. There's those with good intentions just trying to get by and find a better life for themselves, and there's those who aren't worth a pile of dung. Attaching the word "Illegal" doesn't make a dammed bit of difference.

There's a LOT of native-born Americans I'd LOVE to kick out and let a whole FAMILY of Illegals stay in their place.

Some arbitrary label or status does NOT decide the value of someone, and frankly I'm sick of wading through the sweeping generalizations infecting this board, the media, and politics in this country in general and watching how it erodes the ideals this country was founded on.
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2007, 12:28:30 PM »
The law doesn't make a damned bit of difference?  Are you anarchist or something?
"Their value" has nothing to do with it.  You've got your priorities mixed up.  They can get in like everyone else, lawfuly.  
The only people who can deserve a free ride to the front of the line are political asylum and other urgent refugees.  

The real threat to the ideals the US were founded on is neglect for those same ideals - why should honest people have to take a back seat to criminals?

"LIKE EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING ON THIS PLANET" - how's that for a sweeping generalization?
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2007, 12:37:45 PM »
Saxman, don't you understand what the word "illegal" means?

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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2007, 12:38:39 PM »
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The point is that Illegals are like EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET. There's those with good intentions just trying to get by and find a better life for themselves, and there's those who aren't worth a pile of dung. Attaching the word "Illegal" doesn't make a dammed bit of difference.

There's a LOT of native-born Americans I'd LOVE to kick out and let a whole FAMILY of Illegals stay in their place.

Some arbitrary label or status does NOT decide the value of someone, and frankly I'm sick of wading through the sweeping generalizations infecting this board, the media, and politics in this country in general and watching how it erodes the ideals this country was founded on.


They ALL disregarded our laws and sovereignity by coming here illegally.  Therefore, the label "illegal" is not in the least arbitrary.  If I rob a bank (in this case the bank of the us-taxpayer), but then do nothing illegal for the rest of my life, I'm still guilty and deserve to be punished.  In the case of illegal aliens (the term immigrant is too broadly applied, when so many of them have no intention of integrating into our culture), their punishment in general amounts to simply being sent back to their point of origins.  Arguably this is not punishment at all, and abundently more humane than how Mexico treats illegal aliens in their own country.
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