For those who think Illegals have made no beneficial contribution to America

[Bluedog]

Originally posted by CHECKERS

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries  .

Errr.....say again? Terrorist Countries....is there a list of these somewhere or what?
What makes a Sovereign nation a "Terrorist Country"?  the actions of some of it's citizens,  the actions of it's Govt. or what?


19,500 eh?

It seems  the U.S. of Gun Toting Crackheads, BJ Loving Presidents,Gangsta Hos,Oil Hungry Warmongers and Beer Swilling Rednecks has a real problem on its hands.
I mean,where can all those twenty odd thousand people be illegally detained?

The insulting and degrading generalisations could go on forever, but surely even you lot of morbidly obese drug smuggling serial killers get the point by now.


 <<---- Panty bunchers and knee jerk reaction "Amerihater!" shouters please take note of the little winking smiley denoting sarcasm and irony.
Get all uptight and indignant all you like, not one of you was at all perturbed by that little gem quoted above, so I'm guessing you all have no probs with being addressed in the same fashion.

Anyway, I'm off for another day of milking the socialist health care system, croc wrestling, water buff charming , surfing and partying myself unconcious.

[Speed55]

by Maverick
There is no doubt that there have been some good and decent folks who come accross the line into the US. That individual is one of them. IMO he deserves a chance at a legal stay here.

by Saxman
The point is that Illegals are like EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET.
I'm SURE legal residents aren't responsible for death and injury in this country.
There's a LOT of native-born Americans I'd LOVE to kick out and let a whole FAMILY of Illegals stay in their place.

 

Maverick - No doubt that the guy did a good deed..  But at the same time, what about all the people legally trying to come here, and what about the fact that he also comitted a crime first.  

Saxman - I don't think anyones disputing the fact that illegals are human. The illegal "alien" term is not what you think it means.  J/K.   Either way,  there's a procedure to follow.
Of course legals commit crimes, but that has NOTHING to do with the argument.
It doesn't really matter what you would LOVE to do.  This has nothing to do with the argument either..  

Bottom line is this: The guy broke US laws as soon as he set foot on US soil.  

In my opinion, i think the boy would have been found alive  whether the guy was with him or not.

[Donzo]

Saxman, what would you say about this:

This guy (we'll call him Tom) has been trained in CPR techniques.

Tom is down on his luck lately and decides to rob a bank after hours.

After much reasearch and planning Tom has a plan that is fool-proof and he decides to execute it the following night.

The following night Tom breaks into the bank and proceeds to rob the bank.  In the process he finds the night watchman lying on the floor (he had a heart attack).  Tom administers CPR and revives the man.  He then calls 911 and waits for the parametics to arrive.  They arrive and the man is taken to the hospital and later recovers.  Tom is arrested.

Should Tom receive a lesser sentence than someone else who robbed a bank and did not save a night watchman's life? (all things being equal between Tom and this other robber)

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by CHECKERS

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millio ns of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.

19,500?

How do we now this number to three significant digits when we do not know the total to the nearest single significant digit?

the 338 doesn't pass the snif test either.

That being said, enforcing the border is an essential part of being a country.

Illegal is illegal and giving benefits to illegals is aiding and abetting.

[Saxman]

Have any of you actually done a little research into the application process for even a temporary work visa?

I did a quick little search of the US Department of Immigration's website. ASSUMING a prospective immigrant even HAS internet access there's a good couple dozen different types to fill out. Then, if they can find the right type of visa to apply for there's the applications to fill out, fees to pay, and several miles of red tape and beaurocracy to navigate, including the myriad reasons immigration can come up with to deny. It may be illegal, but reading through that I can hardly blame people for wanting to find a shortcut.

There's an entire xenophobic culture that's grown up here centered around keeping people on the outside OUT to the point that the only legal way IN is a confusing, expensive, draconian mess that only CONTRIBUTES to the growing surge in illegal entry. If ANY change needs to be made in immigration law, it's that the process needs to be simplified, streamlined and made more accessible. Ease the working restrictions. Eliminate the fees. Modify the forms to condense the couple dozen down to a few. Handled properly that should ALL be accomplishable while satisfying the public panic over border security.

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by Saxman
The point is that Illegals are like EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET. There's those with good intentions just trying to get by and find a better life for themselves, and there's those who aren't worth a pile of dung. Attaching the word "Illegal" doesn't make a dammed bit of difference.

Some arbitrary label or status does NOT decide the value of someone, and frankly I'm sick of wading through the sweeping generalizations infecting this board, the media, and politics in this country in general and watching how it erodes the ideals this country was founded on.

They affect my job do they affect yours?

Good let them revolt in there own country and fix there own problems in Mexico or what ever country there from? Maybe they wont need to come here. Its not our fualt their country is keeps them oppressed/depressed.
Their is plenty of money in Mexico.

"There's a LOT of native-born Americans I'd LOVE to kick out and let a whole 3 FAMILY's  of Illegals stay in their place."

Not to mention inflated rental prices.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Saxman
Have any of you actually done a little research into the application process for even a temporary work visa?

I did a quick little search of the US Department of Immigration's website. ASSUMING a prospective immigrant even HAS internet access there's a good couple dozen different types to fill out. Then, if they can find the right type of visa to apply for there's the applications to fill out, fees to pay, and several miles of red tape and beaurocracy to navigate, including the myriad reasons immigration can come up with to deny. It may be illegal, but reading through that I can hardly blame people for wanting to find a shortcut.

There's an entire xenophobic culture that's grown up here centered around keeping people on the outside OUT to the point that the only legal way IN is a confusing, expensive, draconian mess that only CONTRIBUTES to the growing surge in illegal entry. If ANY change needs to be made in immigration law, it's that the process needs to be simplified, streamlined and made more accessible. Ease the working restrictions. Eliminate the fees. Modify the forms to condense the couple dozen down to a few.

So now you blame it on the rules that are set up?

Do you think that the people coming over here illegally actually TRIED to fill out the required forms and follow the rules?

Some people find income tax forms to be hard to read, confusing, and a waste of time.

Maybe they should just say "f" it and not fill them out?

Oh, by the way, that would be breaking the law as well.

[Bingolong]

Originally posted by CHECKERS
! Here is what they cost us ......



1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html< FONT face=Arial color=black size=4>

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
& lt; U> http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http:// premium . cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/06 10/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are
caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The ill! egal aliens in the United State s have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millio ns of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Ins titute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.r ense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

 

The total cost is a whooping .

 

$ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

If we just did #12 we would save 108.3 billion:D

[Jackal1]

Pssssssssssssssssssttttttttt. ...........one more time


One thread with this see-through article isn`t enough?

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Saxman
There's a LOT of native-born Americans I'd LOVE to kick out and let a whole FAMILY of Illegals stay in their place.

I'm sure that many employers looking to maximize their profit margins agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly.

As for those evil generalizations, here are some worth considering:
(I'm posing them as questions so that you can respond with more of that brilliant research you've done)

1.)   How many illegals pay taxes?
2.)   How many illegals don't send large percentages of their cash out of the country, and out of our economy?
3.)   How many illegals come here with the intention of learning the language, assimilating to a reasonable degree, and staying around to contribute to educate their children in hopes of having them someday contribute to American society?
4.)   Based on the answers to the above questions, what percentage of illegals actually aren't parasitic by nature?

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Saxman
The point is that Illegals are like EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET. There's those with good intentions just trying to get by and find a better life for themselves, and there's those who aren't worth a pile of dung. Attaching the word "Illegal" doesn't make a dammed bit of difference.

There's a LOT of native-born Americans I'd LOVE to kick out and let a whole FAMILY of Illegals stay in their place.

Some arbitrary label or status does NOT decide the value of someone, and frankly I'm sick of wading through the sweeping generalizations infecting this board, the media, and politics in this country in general and watching how it erodes the ideals this country was founded on.

So laws mean nothing to you?  Where do you live so I can come steal from you.  Hell thats just another law right? Those don't need to be obeyed, we are just all humans after all.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Saxman
Attaching the word "Illegal" doesn't make a dammed bit of difference.

Can I use that next time I'm pulled over for doing 70 in a 55 zone?

[moot]

Saxman immigration could work seemlessly in the first place if so many parasites weren't already clogging the plumbing.
You keep arguing things as though illegals should have more privileges than legal applicants for immigration.  That the application process is difficult or a ton of red tape isn't an excuse to break the law like you seem to be saying.

[GovtFlu]

Originally posted by Saxman
The point is that Illegals are like EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET. There's those with good intentions just trying to get by and find a better life for themselves, and there's those who aren't worth a pile of dung. Attaching the word "Illegal" doesn't make a dammed bit of difference.

There's a LOT of native-born Americans I'd LOVE to kick out and let a whole FAMILY of Illegals stay in their place.

Some arbitrary label or status does NOT decide the value of someone, and frankly I'm sick of wading through the sweeping generalizations infecting this board, the media, and politics in this country in general and watching how it erodes the ideals this country was founded on.

If you ever come to LA, I can hook you up on a police ride along in East LA.. it'll be an eye opener as to what the majority of this sub culture of people are about. One really needs to experience how and what they do to live for a complete understanding of what a huge problem they represent.

Desperate people do desperate things.

Better yet, go down to "The Nickle" at night, say "hola" to the Illegals who live in the tents... if you're family / friends are lucky the police might find your skeleton a year from now...

[Neubob]

Originally posted by GovtFlu
Better yet, go down to "The Nickle" at night, say "hola" to the Illegals who live in the tents... if you're family / friends are lucky the police might find your skeleton a year from now...

But, but, there was this Mexican who stayed up all night with a 9 year old! Surely you can't be serious!