Author Topic: Sheriff Joe Is At It Again (Read 2812 times)

2bighorn · « **Reply #60 on:** January 03, 2008, 02:43:32 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Maricopa county includes the Phoenix metro area, one of the largest cities in the US.

Phoenix metro area is not included in those numbers.

For comparison, Phoenix metro had about same increase in population as the rest of the county (21% vs 23%), but crime rate has increased by 1% since 2000 as opposed to 12.7% in rest of the Maricopa county.

Roughly same demographics, different crime stats... PPD vs Arpaio.

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
[BI'm not saying Maricopa county is statistically better off w/ Arpaio, although that's the feeling among 80% of voters, I am saying that these numbers are moot. [/B]

That might be the problem. You guys go with feelings instead of facts.

bongaroo · « **Reply #61 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:10:03 PM »

well you know what, not my problem really, i don't live there and don't ever plan on living there. just amused me into research and commentary how people would put up with such a showboater

peoples fear of immigrants who will work harder for cheaper amuses me.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #62 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:12:54 PM »

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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Phoenix metro area is not included in those numbers.

For comparison, Phoenix metro had about same increase in population as the rest of the county (21% vs 23%), but crime rate has increased by 1% since 2000 as opposed to 12.7% in rest of the Maricopa county.

Roughly same demographics, different crime stats... PPD vs Arpaio.

That might be the problem. You guys go with feelings instead of facts.

do you live here? Maybe that's the problem. you don't actually know what you are talking about but you can quote some stats from a badly biased source.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #63 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:15:29 PM »

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Originally posted by bongaroo
peoples fear of immigrants who will work harder for cheaper amuses me.

Does it amuse you that they murder hundreds of people per year? Does it amuse you that they have caused the closure of several hospitals?

Your fantasy that all illegal immigrants are all just people that want to work harder for cheaper is just that... a fantasy.

Maverick · « **Reply #64 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:15:29 PM »

RPM,

I'm from AZ. and I'm pretty familiar with the versions of the new times in both Phoenix and Tucson. While they do cover stories that other news sources do not I hardly think that is a recommendation particularly since their "reporting" is more in the vein of editorializing without claiming to be an opinion piece. They tend to pick and choose their "stories" with even more of an eye for sensationalism that any of the more normal media. They also favor anything that can be an perceived as an embarrassment to the local and state governments. That also includes some of the local defense attorneys providing info to try and get them to "investigate" something that would help color their current case in court.

While they don't usually publish UFO or space alien claims I don't consider them to be that far above that level of "publication". They do provide reviews of the local topless places and sex shops as well as a very high content of porn adds.

bongaroo · « **Reply #65 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:30:44 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Does it amuse you that they murder hundreds of people per year? Does it amuse you that they have caused the closure of several hospitals?

Your fantasy that all illegal immigrants are all just people that want to work harder for cheaper is just that... a fantasy.

well how many immigrants have you worked with, face to face with? how many have you met and learned about? Having worked at multiple restaurants over the past I've worked with plenty.

Hard working? yup
violent? not that i've ever seen
fun to work with? sure thing, good humoured people

played pick up games of soccer on weekends back in high school, i learned a lot (but maybe your going to try to tell me how crappy the worlds most popular sport is? footballs great and all, but too expensive with all the wussy pads and helmets you need)

now I'm not from Arizona so I can't say your immigrant workers are the same as here in North Carolina, but I'll wager a guess that they are pretty damn similar. Maybe the problem with the crime is the black market nature of smuggling people and the dirt bags that come with it, just like coke or heroine. but now i'm just blindly hypothesizing.

point being, i'm not just blindly and baselessly claiming that they are all violent and criminal by nature, i have first hand experience that they aren't. further i'm sure there are deplorable criminals among them, but I'm above stereotyping it to the race.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #66 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:37:56 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
do you live here? Maybe that's the problem. you don't actually know what you are talking about but you can quote some stats from a badly biased source.

The Maricopa County Attorney's Office is a badly biased source? That was the source 2bighorn cited for those figures he posted. No offense but you do tend to "cry biased source" for any article that doesn't agree with your own opinions, regardless of the source.

ack-ack

SteveBailey · « **Reply #67 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:39:42 PM »

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Originally posted by bongaroo
point being, i'm not just blindly and baselessly claiming that they are all violent and criminal by nature, i have first hand experience that they aren't. further i'm sure there are deplorable criminals among them, but I'm above stereotyping it to the race.

i'm not blindly and baselessly claiming they are criminals. They ARE all criminals, every illegal alien here is a criminal.
Did I say they were all violent? No. Attempt to distort my words, and the facts: DENIED.

Maverick · « **Reply #68 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:39:55 PM »

Bongaroo,

Part of the problem is the lack of distance to Mexico for the border states. The close distance allows more and frequent trips for those who wish to commit crimes or drain the resources. It just takes a quick trip to gain access then if needs be slip back home.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #69 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:40:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The Maricopa County Attorney's Office is a badly biased source? That was the source 2bighorn cited for those figures he posted. No offense but you do tend to "cry biased source" for any article that doesn't agree with your own opinions, regardless of the source.

ack-ack

Offense taken, I'll discuss nothing with you as you are a racist bigot.

2bighorn · « **Reply #70 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:41:41 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
you don't actually know what you are talking about but you can quote some stats from a badly biased source.

Biased source?

my sources:
Maricopa County Attorney's Office
Maricopa County Office of Management & Budget (stats from Budgeting Documents)
Maricopa County Sheriff's Office
Phoenix Police Department

Obviously, it's easier to go for Arpaio's publicity stunts then battle through hundreds of pages of data to find relevant numbers, I'll give you that.

Point is, today, people will listen only to what they want to hear (that includes you, Mr Bailey) . Everything else is 'biased', 'irrelevant', etc.

No wonder we elect wrong people year after year...

SteveBailey · « **Reply #71 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:43:52 PM »

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can't say your immigrant workers are the same as here in North Carolina

They probably are. I'm sure that the immigrant workers are exactly as you described: hard working, good people. The problem is that many illegals are not hard working, good people.

Finally, there is this perpetuated fantasy that criminal activists want to continue: they take jobs Americans won't do.

If that's the case, who was doing these jobs before the illegals started crossing over? Who?

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #72 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:43:59 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I'd like a reasoned answer for this: If Arpaio is such a pox on AZ, why does he have an 85% approval rating?

Perception. The people perceive him as tough on crime and a crime fighter due to his grand standing and media attention. As long as the media keeps broadcasting those nice little sound bites that show him talking about getting tough on crime, or show his prisoners in pink underwear or the working chain gangs, or the cute one liners he likes to spew for the media the public will perceive him to be tough on crime and effective. This translates into higher public approval ratings that he rides to re-election.

One thing for certain, he has a public relations/media consultant that any politician would die for.

ack-ack

SteveBailey · « **Reply #73 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:44:44 PM »

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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Biased source?

my sources:
Maricopa County Attorney's Office
Maricopa County Office of Management & Budget (stats from Budgeting Documents)
Maricopa County Sheriff's Office
Phoenix Police Department

Obviously, it's easier to go for Arpaio's publicity stunts then battle through hundreds of pages of data to find relevant numbers, I'll give you that.

Point is, today, people will listen only to what they want to hear (that includes you, Mr Bailey) . Everything else is 'biased', 'irrelevant', etc.

No wonder we elect wrong people year after year...

Ya, all 85% of the population in Maricopa county are fooled..

SteveBailey · « **Reply #74 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:45:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Perception. The people perceive him as tough on crime and a crime fighter due to his grand standing and media attention. As long as the media keeps broadcasting those nice little sound bites that show him talking about getting tough on crime, or show his prisoners in pink underwear or the working chain gangs, or the cute one liners he likes to spew for the media the public will perceive him to be tough on crime and effective. This translates into higher public approval ratings that he rides to re-election.

One thing for certain, he has a public relations/media consultant that any politician would die for.

ack-ack

Like I said, you are an anti-white racist. I'll not discuss anything with you.